All Blacks vs England 2
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@Catogrande said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Catogrande said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@junior said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Thanks England for a competitive series and well done Borthwick on fixing the abortion you inherited. If they keep improving (and they've got some very good talent in that team) they'll be a real threat in 27.
If we make the final in '27 I would not be surprised if they were our opponents.
I would be extremely surprised, mildly surprised if they make it past the quarters.
A long way ahead to be making predictions. Ever thought of writing for Ruck.com?
Why, you hiring?
Usual terms. You write whatever shit you want, we don’t fact check and you get 50% of the per hit take. We get the ad revenue. Seem fair?
My first article will be on the definition of prediction.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
That's an interesting take considering at one stage the handling errors were England 4, NZ 9 (just before NZ made another handling error). Think it was even before halftime?
You can't quote such statistics out of context. If we knock the ball on while trying a miracle play under advantage, I really don't care that it is an "error" to the bean counters.
We lost a lot of balls forward while trying to steal their ball at lineouts or rucks. Sure, those are "handling errors" because they result in scrums etc, but since we weren't winning the ball otherwise they are of no concern.
You watched the game, presumably. How many balls did we shell forward where we had possession and which resulted in an actual turnover? Because I don't recall it being many.
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
That's an interesting take considering at one stage the handling errors were England 4, NZ 9 (just before NZ made another handling error). Think it was even before halftime?
You can't quote such statistics out of context. If we knock the ball on while trying a miracle play under advantage, I really don't care that it is an "error" to the bean counters.
We lost a lot of balls forward while trying to steal their ball at lineouts or rucks. Sure, those are "handling errors" because they result in scrums etc, but since we weren't winning the ball otherwise they are of no concern.
You watched the game, presumably. How many balls did we shell forward where we had possession and which resulted in an actual turnover? Because I don't recall it being many.
😂 I'm going to go with somewhere around at least 9+.
But nah didn't watch the game mate, you got me.
I just decided that statistics that don't suit my argument aren't valid, that's it.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Phew, I think I care more about Eden Park record than world cups. I was there for the try from the end of the world.
It’s funny , my first two test matches live were both losses at eden park ,
One to the Aussies and one to the frogs in the 70s
Wow AB's have only ever lost 13 games at EP and two of them were your first tests.
Cornelsens Test (worst defeat) and the Bastille Day loss.
We've only lost twice since that July in 79
First 20 of the second half on Saturday and I thought we were going to again.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I just decided that statistics that don't suit my argument aren't valid, that's it.
he's right though. It's like missed tackles - if you get out, make effort and push the runner into another defender, you may get a 'missed tackle' but it stopped a line break. It's a good thing, not a bad thing.
Fair play to @Chester-Draws - he set out his thinking. Our handling seemed generally pretty good (from what I remember)
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in All Blacks vs England 2:
I'm actually reasonably happy after those 2 games. The side is going through a pretty massive transition phase and I think they're on the right track in terms of how they want to play and how effective that will be if executed correctly. The biggest concern by far is the lineout because the players farking that up should have enough experience. Hopefully they get that right.
In terms of the backs, the only thing that can be considered "settled" is a centre combo who have been together for 5 minutes. Raw as fůck.
Front row last year's first choice, but get what you're saying.
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@dogmeat said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Phew, I think I care more about Eden Park record than world cups. I was there for the try from the end of the world.
It’s funny , my first two test matches live were both losses at eden park ,
One to the Aussies and one to the frogs in the 70s
Wow AB's have only ever lost 13 games at EP and two of them were your first tests.
Cornelsens Test (worst defeat) and the Bastille Day loss.
We've only lost twice since that July in 79
First 20 of the second half on Saturday and I thought we were going to again.
Yeah , they were the two tests , cornelson test 78 and the Jean Pierre Reves captained frogs in 79 .
If you have asked me about the eden park fortresses at the time I would have laughed , I was 0-2
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@Machpants said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
"beer" needs inverted commas
‘Steinlager ultra low carb’
Yep, congrats brewers, you made a shite beer even worse
The pressures of being an All Black are immense. Being forced to drink that would tip me over the edge
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
That man has big hands, makes that can look small. I must also have big hands, which would explain a lot
That if you wear gloves they need to be big ?
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@BerniesCorner said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Take out Scott, Jordie and Beauden we would have lost.
100%So true.
12 against 15 would have been too big an ask.
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@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
That man has big hands, makes that can look small. I must also have big hands, which would explain a lot
It's actually nose length according to studies.
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@Frank said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@chimoaus said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
That man has big hands, makes that can look small. I must also have big hands, which would explain a lot
It's actually nose length according to studies.
Your studies?
But my nose has been compared to a squashed strawberry, so sounds accurate to me
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@Machpants
Google is your friend.
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@gt12 said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Is no-one going to attack the ball on the ground?
Unless Reece is in the vicinity, we are simply not doing it on any regular basis. The odd occasion with Papali’i or Taylor. England didn’t really do it either.
For the most part our attendance to the collision was very good. We made it hard for them to get their hands on the ball.
I think we have banked on trying to drive over the ball given how most refs officiate the tackle/ruck.
