I'll have to rewatch it but Samsoni was attracting several defenders at a time, not going backwards and solid with ball security, given last week they gave Akira a lot of 2 tackler attention it would be rather mouthwatering to see them both on the field.
@dogmeat Yeah - in his 1967 book, McLean specifically refers to Graham Williams playing as an openside for Wellington, but then says he was competing with Nathan for the "loose-running role" with the All Blacks. So even that is a bit inconclusive as to whether he packed down as a genuine openside. (Edit: I think that's my definition - the first guy to consistently pack the scrum on the openside).
I can only vaguely remember Williams playing for Wellington in later years.
I know most of the Ferners prefer Mo'unga to BB but the latter launched his backline perfectly against the Argies last Sunday. It was smooth and direct. I can't remember Mo'unga doing the same with the black jersey. Of course, Mo'unga is a far better goalkicker but with Jordie taking the goalkicking duties, this could not be a problem anymore. Moreover, defensively, BB is superior to RM, IMO.
The jury on Mo'unga is still out for me, he struggles against a committed defense and tends to just shovel the ball on when they are getting up in his face. Loved what I saw from Beauden in this match, taking the line on despite the hard tackling from the Argies, created lots of space and time for those outside him. That said, Beauden hasn't exactly been very consistent, so he needs to string some performances together. I'm 50/50 on who starts and who is on the bench.
Very 50/50 indeed, in a healthy way though.
Gregor Paul just wrote a fanboi/fluffer piece after the first Pumas match about BB on the "RugbyXV" site but made a reasonable point that BB and Jordie look very comfortable together and had great understanding, no surprise. He kind of presented it as the Barrett brothers vs Mounga and McKenzie ... not sure I agree!
I'd rather they lock in a key moving part and make Jordie the #1 full-back, THEN decide 10. Richie Mounga at 10 and BB at 15 always seem to play like an unconscious "battle of the egos" for my eyes.
Under Shag, Cane got left out of the starting line-up of a WC semi-final.
Yeah, the one bloke who would have caused England serious problems from the word go.
That loss still rankles with me - and not just for the Cane omission. Some of the dumbest play I've seen from an AB team for years, mainly from the senior players
It’s taken me a long time to accept that Sam Whitelock might be a decent captain after his facepalm to Farrell late on, which effectively ended what little glimmer of hope we might have had of pinching that match
I don't blame him for that - it was a ridiculous intervention by the referee.
Farrell was being a prick. But he bit the bait
That's not in contention. It's the bullshit reversal from Owen that's the issue.
I agree. But in the current climate the retaliator almost always gets pinged. So we can argue but at the end of the day he needs to keep his discipline there
@mn5 Sorry fellas got distracted, but not sure why I cranky etc, I just wonder why I get shit because I asked if anyone knew of the ABs having a harder test schedule. Instead of answering I get called a Fozzie supporter (which I will be while he coaches ABs, because I an AB supposter) . So I tkae it noone really know of a heavier test schedule?
One should never get cranky on the fern, it’s all fun and bullshit on here anyway.
I agree wholeheartedly mate, I never take it too seriously, hell it's a forum on the Net!
May rewatch but they seemed to be the only ones without a glaring mistake.
Penalty in front of the ref, didn't see a mistake, unnecessary forward pass.. ah oops answered. Anyway, apart from mistakes, good selection although I thought Sam came more into the fore later on. Nugget was mostly excellent, again but I worry about our replacements..
I have another apology for the AB coaches, I thought in an earlier Bledisloe the coaches had the bench replacement timing all wrong. Maybe, but it is clear that a bigger issue is, the AB bench just isn't of the same calibre.
Having Matt Philip behind him helps. I've only just reached that point.
Having just rewatched it may be Ta'avao has been a bit hard done by. First scrum after Patty T on and Whitelock swaps sides. PT packed very high on Karl, and looks like Sam slipped off Ta'avao, who then has whole Wallaby pack driving through him.
Poor cohesion by Black pack, whereas Wallaby changes seem to have been upgrade.
Ta'avao did Ok at previous scrum with Codie and BBBR still on, although scrum did collapse on his side.
Oh ok yeah you're spot on. GCT and Boshier going overseas are the nails in Foster's coffin,
Wow. That''s not what I said, man. On the smelling salts again?
Are you jailbreak?
nope but you replied to me.
Because you weirdly replied to my reply to him, and I stand by my reply to him.
I thought this was a forum.
Happy for you to fill me in on how GCT and Boshier would have saved us from our catastrophic year this year though.
My point was it is not a fair comparision because there isn't the depth there this year (and actually Josh Blackie, if that is who you mean, was a gold medalist and Junior AB so could play a bit. GCT I'd argue, has been a solid player for the blues even if currently ineligible, I don't think that was a crazy suggestion, it is not as if Patty T suddenly became lethargic in tests when he started).
My second point is if you move the goalposts there won't be a fair discussion. I'm guessing @Jailbreak7 was saying other players should have been tried, and those going overseas were probably let down a tad early.
But you appear to be conflating and extrapolating wildly, focusing on just two of the points @Jailbreak7 made, not the entire post (application, muscle, inventiveness, succession plan, strategically unprepared for NH coaching/experience)...
Yup, you boiled all that down to GCT and Boshier. He/she said that but a helluva lot more.
Since you only want a personal to and fro with a "weird" fragment of @Jailbreak7 posts I'll leave you to your strawman solipsism.
My point, I see, was made by @MN5 but with more subtlety. Kudos.
I am not sure I have ever read the word 'solipsism' on the Fern before.
I’m even more surprised a point I made was described as “subtle”
I've got you on ignore so must have missed what that point was. Even more subtle.
Falealii and the Samoan loosies were also impressive in my view. Fomai superb throughout
The Samoan loosies were good. I think they were helped a bit by the Maori selection though. Four locks in the 23 and no specialist loose forward cover. The player they could least afford to get injured was Harmon.. so of course that's what happened
It's strange to think back 2-3 years ago when the Maori were struggling to find any locks. Now they don't know who to leave out
There was a Ba Bas match or a possible v probables in 91 , Jones was 7 playing against NZ top players and he in the first half played at a level of freakyness - I remember commentators saying they had never seen anything like it.
I watched many a 80's Auckland match and Jones was the man, he also was part of the most in sync loose forward trio with AJ and Zinny. Ahead of them a brutal front 5.
MJ was a freak - someone mentioned height but he was a main lineout target even before lifting due to his athleticism.
I agree with the ...I would pay to watch Jones but want McCaw in a WC final quote
@arhs booooo. I wanted to take it off them this weekend.
Home game for us this weekend, so I assume they could take it straight back off us? Would that possibly be the shortest lived 1 ranking?
There are a few 1 weeks at top during the last RWC, equal shortest then. Home or away, we're so close in points whomever wins is top, same next weekend, I think
World Rugby are morons, we got this ranking because Australia beat South Africa in Australia, which counted as a home game for SA, the same for Argentina last weekend. There is a neutral venue option for NZ/arg and NZ/SA but nope.
Edit: in fact Argentina and SA never had games at home even planned!
Eventhough I think they only have themselves to blame I think both SA and Arg will improve dramatically next games, just in terms of assimilating to local conditions. Arg in particular just looked really short of a gallop and puffed by half time. South Africa obviously will be upset and come out with a point to prove, for all the chest beating prior about the Lions, they were incredibally inaccurate
Boks also didn't look fit. Partly the quarantine but partly that they were forced to run around a bit more than usual. I'll reference Eddie Jones' book again, to paraphrase his game plan against the Boks: shift the big boys around - they don't like it and opportunities open up
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@Chris-B said in ABs 2020: Who didn't get a fair crack?: > I'm not really a fan of the thread title, because it's the All Blacks and not the Under-10s. If you're not established as the best player in your position then any time you get is a privilege.
Plus - we only had six tests, we struggled, and when Fozzie pushed the rotation button a bit, we lost (though players not on the park had a fair bit to do with that).
That first bit sounds a bit sanctimonious - but, what I mean is a complete newbie like Cullen Grace - any time he got was a bonus.
A slightly different tack - people who I'd want to see in the first test next year (based on what we've seen).
Nepo Laulala, Scott Barrett, Akira Ioane, Will Jordan.
I guess that's part of the argument, how do you become established if not given games...and how do you get games if not stand outs in super rugby
Well if you're not a stand out in SR, how did you in the squad?
Development for junior players in the All Blacks comes during the week, not the weekend. Then where injury, rest or opportunity provides they can come off the bench. We don't have the mid-week games anymore so the balance has to be on winning Tests and then worrying about opportunities. This poses the larger problem of having played the best possible team to secure some silverware we make too many changes.
I don't consider anyone didn't get a fair crack this season, hampered as it was by covid-19. That's not the same as pointing out positional selections were debatable.
I thought Laulala, Akira and perhaps Moody in that order? I been a huge critic of Akira, but he stepped up last night, and hope he keeps to that standard. Thought Cane went well again, backs were generally ok without looking that flash. Jordan scored a couple of smart tries where his pace showed, but it bit hard to give him points when he only on a while and had 2 touches even if they were good.
good? good? You must have been some player if that only counts as good.
woah, you're really fanboying on WJ. Good player, but two intercepts and a linebreak doesn't make him Cullen. He's a really good player, but we haven't seen it yet at the top level
Oh I'm really an Akira fanboy (but others here have been doing the work for me!)
I was just a bit shit at rugby, all heart but zero talent.
Nice. I was a bit the opposite - still shit at rugby but had "some" athletic ability. Lacked the aggression. If I was as angry in my teens as I am now...who knows what might have happened. I was even born at the right time.
Actually Outliers is quite interesting but I wouldn't read too much into it.
There should be a version of rugby for grumpy old men.