Message to Joe Schmidt
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@act-crusader said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@rancid-schnitzel “handed”, you make it sound like he went into it without any knowledge of where things were at.
I said no such thing. I'm merely saying his starting point was basement level. Henry had resigned because of poor performance and Hansen took over a team in a shit situation.
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@canefan said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@sparky said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@snowy Can't see a massive difference between him coaching Ireland and Ted and Steve Hansen coaching Wales before moving to the All Blacks.
To coach a side from 8th to 2nd (nearly top) of the World Ranking is some achievement for Mr Schmidt.
So you CAN change the team culture and get results at the same time! Who knew???!!!
But you already knew that, Rennie did it when he took over the basket case Chiefs.
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If you read between the lines ,
Ireland Rugby media dont sound too optimistic about keeping joe after the WC .
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@act-crusader said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@rancid-schnitzel “handed”, you make it sound like he went into it without any knowledge of where things were at.
I said no such thing. I'm merely saying his starting point was basement level. Henry had resigned because of poor performance and Hansen took over a team in a shit situation.
So to be fair, he took a job where he knew it was a bad situation and he left it in a bad situation.
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It should be written in stone, good for you coaching well overseas, but you gotta serve a few years in NZ before getting the top job, lest you've forgotten the culture and you bring your shit northern play to our glorious game.
Rugby cultures matter massively and Razor has got something that kiwi rugby players like, and respond to
Under 20s, Canterbury and Crusaders so far ( Barbarians too)
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@act-crusader said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@rancid-schnitzel “handed”, you make it sound like he went into it without any knowledge of where things were at.
He was handed it. He went to Wales to be an assistant under Ted at the start of 2002 and Ted resigned halfway through the 6N.
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What happens if Gatland's Wales do better than Schmidt's Ireland at the WC?
Does Gatland go to the top of the class?
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@act-crusader said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@act-crusader said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@rancid-schnitzel “handed”, you make it sound like he went into it without any knowledge of where things were at.
I said no such thing. I'm merely saying his starting point was basement level. Henry had resigned because of poor performance and Hansen took over a team in a shit situation.
So to be fair, he took a job where he knew it was a bad situation and he left it in a bad situation.
His record with Wales was pretty atrocious. I can't remember exactly when he took over from Henry but there was a run of around 17 or 18 matches when they won only three. Those were against Romania, Canada and Fiji. The run included several losses in the 30-40 points margin. He did get some better results at the 2003 RWC with creditable performances, although losses against England and NZ. Wales only beat Italy, Tonga and Canada at RWC 2003.
Edit: As far as I can make out Hansen's Wales only beat the following teams:- Italy 2002 6N, Fiji Romania and Canada 2002 Autumn Inernationals, Romania and Scotland 2003 RWC warm ups, Italy, Tonga and Canada RWC 2003, Scotland and Italy 2004 6N. 31 matches, 10 wins and only 5 wins v Tier 1 opposition - Scotland and Italy.
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@mikethesnow said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
What happens if Gatland's Wales do better than Schmidt's Ireland at the WC?
Does Gatland go to the top of the class?
The perception that Gatland's ego can be a liability, particularly in the press will work against him. The constant needling of the NZRU going back to when he first took over in 2008. His conduct in media conferences during the Lions' tour overshadowed anything he achieved on the field.
Unlike Robbie Deans he isn't beyond rehabilitation. A season or two back in NZ where he proves he can play ball and behave and he would be a consideration for sure.
In many ways the board asking for candidates to nominate their assistants is a great barometer of ego and reputation in the game. If you can get quality coaches to set aside their ambitions and sign up to work under you for 4 years that is a huge vote of confidence. If your only friend in the country is Pat Lam... perhaps not. I have absolutely no idea what a Gatland backroom would look like,
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@mikethesnow said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
What happens if Gatland's Wales do better than Schmidt's Ireland at the WC?
Does Gatland go to the top of the class?
No... Gatland shat the bed with his Cheika-esque behaviour during Lions tour.
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@mikethesnow said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
What happens if Gatland's Wales do better than Schmidt's Ireland at the WC?
An Irish loss to SA in the QFs is a real possibility.
Does Gatland go to the top of the class?
Gatland has to be in the mix. Henry wasn't the flavour of the month at NZR when he left for Wales but eventually got the AB job.
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@bovidae said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@mikethesnow said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
What happens if Gatland's Wales do better than Schmidt's Ireland at the WC?
An Irish loss to SA in the QFs is a real possibility.
Does Gatland go to the top of the class?
Gatland has to be in the mix. Henry wasn't the flavour of the month at NZR when he left for Wales but eventually got the AB job.
What are the chances of a Schmidt Garland co-op?
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@canefan said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@bovidae said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@mikethesnow said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
What happens if Gatland's Wales do better than Schmidt's Ireland at the WC?
An Irish loss to SA in the QFs is a real possibility.
Does Gatland go to the top of the class?
Gatland has to be in the mix. Henry wasn't the flavour of the month at NZR when he left for Wales but eventually got the AB job.
What are the chances of a Schmidt Garland co-op?
Slim to none, and Slim just left town.
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@hydro11 said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@canefan said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
@hydro11 said in Message to Joe Schmidt:
Joe Schmidt's Ireland probably have the most identifiable style in World Rugby. It's a simple game plan. If you are in your own half, you put up contestable box kicks. As soon as you get in the other team's half you keep the ball. In defence, you rush up and try not to concede penalties.
It is effective for Ireland but a lot of fans wouldn't like it if he tried to coach the All Blacks like that. It is a lot different trying to coach Ireland and trying to coach us - mostly in terms of expectations. Schmidt's All Blacks could either be a super side. We could develop the ability to play smart rugby and create more balance between trying to play at pace and trying to maintain pressure. The other side of the coin is that we could get drawn into close games and lose our attacking prowess.
Is that a style he is known for or is he simply making the best use of the cattle he has available?
Not sure. He has only coached Leinster as a head coach otherwise.
We have three decent choices.
Schmidt has only Leinster and Ireland. Which he has turned around. Massively.
Rennie has Manawatu and Chiefs.
Robinson has Canterbury and Crusaders. U20s too. But Canterbury and Crusaders are almost joined at the hip.
I don't see Schmidt's lack of track record being a big deal between the three.
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I for one heartily endorse Ian Foster
This has been the most entertaining couple of weeks on the Fern in years.
Imagine what a couple of years of just terrible results will be like? I won't have to do real work, like ever!!
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@mariner4life Is there a downvote.....sigh
