All Blacks v Argentina II
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Looking forward to the match. Clarke, Rieko and Jordan are all significant upgrades, if we can get just parity in the forwards we'll have too much fire power for them. That said, the weather will be a bit of a leveler.
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@MiketheSnow said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
In terms of power, mass x acceleration they are. SAs big backs are slower and their fast backs are smaller. Rieko and Caleb have size and speed/acceleration combined.
Kriel and Am say hi
Ha! You don't remember Rieko absolutely burning Am in Jo'burg when they saved Fozzies job.
No doubt Am is a great footy player and better centre than Rieko, but as an out and out athlete, Rieko wins hands down.
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@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Yes I'm not arguing actual rugby ability.
Victor Matfield in the video said when he played the All Blacks they always had guys thay were bigger and faster athletes in the backs and he said that wasn't the case with last weekends team.
I think he has a point.
But I also think that the inclusion of Clarke and Ioane change the backline dynamic from last week.
I alluded to it in a previous post a few days back.
When you are lining up for the haka and you are looking across at Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Even when we used to lose a game the opposition had a tough day at the office.
Not so much now. We are a nice bunch of lads. Picking opponents up off the turf. Media trained to the nines. Nice skin fades. Nice boots. Sanitised.
I sound Jurassic but it's true.
There are no nasty bastards in the team.
All fur coat and no knickers.
I remember when James O'Connor first made the Wallabies, I thought to myself that a kid like that would never make it in NZ rugby - not big enough, not powerful enough.
Only a few short years later and we had both D Mac and R Mounga as central cogs in our team and we are looking more and more like the Wallabies teams that O'Connor played in.
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@junior said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Yes I'm not arguing actual rugby ability.
Victor Matfield in the video said when he played the All Blacks they always had guys thay were bigger and faster athletes in the backs and he said that wasn't the case with last weekends team.
I think he has a point.
But I also think that the inclusion of Clarke and Ioane change the backline dynamic from last week.
I alluded to it in a previous post a few days back.
When you are lining up for the haka and you are looking across at Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Even when we used to lose a game the opposition had a tough day at the office.
Not so much now. We are a nice bunch of lads. Picking opponents up off the turf. Media trained to the nines. Nice skin fades. Nice boots. Sanitised.
I sound Jurassic but it's true.
There are no nasty bastards in the team.
All fur coat and no knickers.
I remember when James O'Connor first made the Wallabies, I thought to myself that a kid like that would never make it in NZ rugby - not big enough, not powerful enough.
Only a few short years later and we had both D Mac and R Mounga as central cogs in our team and we are looking more and more like the Wallabies teams that O'Connor played in.
hold up... 2008 to 2023 is a few short years later? O'Connor's debut was 2008!
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@darylmitchell said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@junior said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@Jet said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@brodean said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Yes I'm not arguing actual rugby ability.
Victor Matfield in the video said when he played the All Blacks they always had guys thay were bigger and faster athletes in the backs and he said that wasn't the case with last weekends team.
I think he has a point.
But I also think that the inclusion of Clarke and Ioane change the backline dynamic from last week.
I alluded to it in a previous post a few days back.
When you are lining up for the haka and you are looking across at Beaudy, ALB, DMAC, TJP for example you arent fearing for your safety.
Even when we used to lose a game the opposition had a tough day at the office.
Not so much now. We are a nice bunch of lads. Picking opponents up off the turf. Media trained to the nines. Nice skin fades. Nice boots. Sanitised.
I sound Jurassic but it's true.
There are no nasty bastards in the team.
All fur coat and no knickers.
I remember when James O'Connor first made the Wallabies, I thought to myself that a kid like that would never make it in NZ rugby - not big enough, not powerful enough.
Only a few short years later and we had both D Mac and R Mounga as central cogs in our team and we are looking more and more like the Wallabies teams that O'Connor played in.
hold up... 2008 to 2023 is few short years later? O'Connor's debut was 2008!
And we'd had the similar sized DC at 10 for a few years.
Posters seem to be going out of their way to put round pegs into square holes these days.
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@junior said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I remember when James O'Connor first made the Wallabies, I thought to myself that a kid like that would never make it in NZ rugby - not big enough, not powerful enough.
Only a few short years later and we had both D Mac and R Mounga as central cogs in our team and we are looking more and more like the Wallabies teams that O'Connor played in.
It's not just us though, is it. How many large first-fives are there out there at the moment after Handre Pollard?
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@Brandon said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Looks like pretty hectic weather in Auckland. Maybe takes.some sting out of ABs attack? You guys will know better.
What attack is that?
ABs tend to thrive on attacking rugby in the wet to be fair, could have an effect on the Argies though.... hopefully.
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I'm really not sure what to think going into this game because we haven't looked convincing in any of Razor's tests so far, it feels that something is bound to give, as every aspect of the AB's game this year (other than our defense prior to last week) has been a significant backwards step from 2023 under Schmidt. I think we're either going to win convincingly or go down like a bunch of limp dicks again.
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Current Auckland wx anyone
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@DaGrubster said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
Essentially, we are seeing that Joe Schmidt is a better international coach than Razor is after 4 games in Charge.
Steady on. He's played the might of Wales and Georgia.
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On Lord - he has all the physical attributes but lacks co-ordination and appetite to put them all together. On the other hand, IWL is similar, but it appears something has clicked in his brain this year, he was one of the better Canes giong round in SR. I would like to see him at least given a shot at higher honors. And who knows - with the Razof influence he may excel.
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@Jailbreak7 said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
On Lord - he has all the physical attributes but lacks co-ordonation and appetite to put them all together. On the other hand, IWL is similar, but it appears something has clicked in his brain, he was one of the better Canes in SR. I would like to see him at least given a shot at higher honors.
Not based on his performance today against Southland.
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@junior said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I remember when James O'Connor first made the Wallabies, I thought to myself that a kid like that would never make it in NZ rugby - not big enough, not powerful enough.
Only a few short years later and we had both D Mac and R Mounga as central cogs in our team and we are looking more and more like the Wallabies teams that O'Connor played in.
It's not just us though, is it. How many large first-fives are there out there at the moment after Handre Pollard?
Finn Russell is disproportionally large round the guts to be fair.
I think my favour large first five would be the old mate Henry Honiball. What a player he was
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@Chester-Draws said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
@junior said in All Blacks v Argentina II:
I remember when James O'Connor first made the Wallabies, I thought to myself that a kid like that would never make it in NZ rugby - not big enough, not powerful enough.
Only a few short years later and we had both D Mac and R Mounga as central cogs in our team and we are looking more and more like the Wallabies teams that O'Connor played in.
It's not just us though, is it. How many large first-fives are there out there at the moment after Handre Pollard?
Harry Plummer is the only NZ 10 that is of similar build and physicality to Pollard.
