All Blacks v France Test #2
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@taniwharugby Hansen basically echoed all my thoughts - including my scenario of the same team players taking out each other and the fact that the outcome shouldn't determine the sanction of the action.
Since we're so in sync (Tongan Frizell aside) he might take my selectorial advice for next weekend.
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From my armchair view Cane looked spent early in the test. Not sure what the deal is, but he looked noticeably off the pace.
Squire was pretty good last week and put in the grunt work, but we are going to have to live with some inconsistency given the lack of experience. Look at the loosies in previous years that had up and down form - Vito, Thomson, Luatua, Messam (before he became a starter)
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@booboo said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Forgive me for intimating we might take a leaf out of AFL books, but surely those crazies have a rule to reduce the carnage which might otherwise result from their marking antics?
Like thou shalt not tackle below the waist?
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Now rewatched first half, where ABs weren't too bad. Four takeaways:
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In early play ABs were leaving a big gap about two out from rucks. French really excellent at exploiting that. One try that ought to have been scored and another dangerous break by Bellau;
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Moody/Barrett (S) combo seemed off. It seemed that in second and third scrums power from Barrett not coming through well. After missed try the LH hit was poor and scrum struggling from there. Next scrum Moody won the hit, but power seemed to stutter and his knee went to ground, after which French scrum mullered us;
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DMac was hopeless when we got scrums close to French line. Instead of manipulating things to exploit extra man he tried to do too much. But in broken play his ability to find space is superb;
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French made maybe four turnovers, at least three close to flanks. Abs guilty of mot having support players clean out after e.g. Taylor went to ground. Sloppy.
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@pakman Moody is worrying. What has happened to his form? In general play he's nearly as bad as Franks.
TBH, it's worrying how bad Franks has got in general play, he's never been great but now he's terrible, he's just there for scrummaging now.
It will be interesting to see how much our pack transforms when BBBR is back though.
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@nepia if it's anything like he's been playing for the Chiefs this year then I don't think Retallick will add too much. His form has been well below his best and he's caught the penalty bug too.
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@nepia if it's anything like he's been playing for the Chiefs this year then I don't think Retallick will add too much. His form has been well below his best and he's caught the penalty bug too.
Seriously, WTF have you been smoking in the ACT or Canterbury this year? He's singlehandedly kept the Chiefs in games and without him (and Cane) they wouldn't be in spitting distance of making the finals.
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@act-crusader said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@nepia if it's anything like he's been playing for the Chiefs this year then I don't think Retallick will add too much. His form has been well below his best and he's caught the penalty bug too.
I can only conclude you know absolutely nothing about rugby.
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There was very little to be gained by the ABs practicing against a short backline.
We gained more by pretending there wasn't an overlap and playing our normal game. So DMac wasn't necessarily wrong to do what he would normally do.
We need to work out how to beat rush defences, not how to trash sides short a man.
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@pakman said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
Now rewatched first half, where ABs weren't too bad. Four takeaways:
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In early play ABs were leaving a big gap about two out from rucks. French really excellent at exploiting that. One try that ought to have been scored and another dangerous break by Bellau;
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Moody/Barrett (S) combo seemed off. It seemed that in second and third scrums power from Barrett not coming through well. After missed try the LH hit was poor and scrum struggling from there. Next scrum Moody won the hit, but power seemed to stutter and his knee went to ground, after which French scrum mullered us;
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DMac was hopeless when we got scrums close to French line. Instead of manipulating things to exploit extra man he tried to do too much. But in broken play his ability to find space is superb;
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French made maybe four turnovers, at least three close to flanks. Abs guilty of mot having support players clean out after e.g. Taylor went to ground. Sloppy.
Now watched second. Third quarter OK, but fourth abysmal. On the above:
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Some gaps still close to ruck, and which French worked by passing back close in; and
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Moody's knee on ground again at first scrum and replaced. Hard to judge Karl T, as French props swapped out after his first scrum. But replacement AB front row right on top of replacement French one.
Thought ALB was very collected and played well. I'd have subbed Crotty instead of him.
I thought Ardie was quite good.
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@act-crusader Seriosly bro, BBBR has been consistently the Chiefs best on the paddock, and as said above has kept us in games where without him we would have lost by a country mile. I imagine he will do the same for the ABs i.e. shore up the loose defence around the ruck, empower the scrum, give us another option in the LOs and generally tackle anything that moves.
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@shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@act-crusader Seriosly bro, BBBR has been consistently the Chiefs best on the paddock, and as said above has kept us in games where without him we would have lost by a country mile. I imagine he will do the same for the ABs i.e. shore up the loose defence around the ruck, empower the scrum, give us another option in the LOs and generally tackle anything that moves.
Which is great and most probably accurate.
But without him, the ABs are emminently beatable.
A very precarious situation non?
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@mikethesnow From time to time all teams get beaten - yes even Wales and the ABs.
However, it's more about getting our collective shit together and improving the focus for this week. -
@mikethesnow said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@act-crusader Seriosly bro, BBBR has been consistently the Chiefs best on the paddock, and as said above has kept us in games where without him we would have lost by a country mile. I imagine he will do the same for the ABs i.e. shore up the loose defence around the ruck, empower the scrum, give us another option in the LOs and generally tackle anything that moves.
Which is great and most probably accurate.
But without him, the ABs are emminently beatable.
A very precarious situation non?
Well, yes. We're at it lowest ebb for some time having lost six hundred cap players after the last world cup, and still having some injury issues combined with losing reasonably got players up north.
So, yeah he's important to us. But give us another year or so and see who gets thrown up by the talent pyramid. We've just gone from very very hard to beat, to hard to beat. Given the current crop, I'll take that.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@mikethesnow said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@act-crusader Seriosly bro, BBBR has been consistently the Chiefs best on the paddock, and as said above has kept us in games where without him we would have lost by a country mile. I imagine he will do the same for the ABs i.e. shore up the loose defence around the ruck, empower the scrum, give us another option in the LOs and generally tackle anything that moves.
Which is great and most probably accurate.
But without him, the ABs are emminently beatable.
A very precarious situation non?
Well, yes. We're at it lowest ebb for some time having lost six hundred cap players after the last world cup, and still having some injury issues combined with losing reasonably got players up North.
So, yeah he's important to us. But give us another year or so and see who gets thrown up by the talent pyramid. We've just gone from very very hard to beat, to hard to beat. Given the current crop, I'll take that.
I thinking making the N uppercase gives this a whole different meaning when talking to a Welshman.
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@shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@mikethesnow From time to time all teams get beaten - yes even Wales and the ABs.
However, it's more about getting our collective shit together and improving the focus for this week.Too kind mentioning Wales in the same sentence as NZ. We're some way off that.
Just surprised that Shag & Co haven't got plan B, C, D, E, F and G for BBBR as they appear to have for other positions
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@mikethesnow said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@shadowtrooper said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
@mikethesnow From time to time all teams get beaten - yes even Wales and the ABs.
However, it's more about getting our collective shit together and improving the focus for this week.Too kind mentioning Wales in the same sentence as NZ. We're some way off that.
Just surprised that Shag & Co haven't got plan B, C, D, E, F and G for BBBR as they appear to have for other positions
My plan is to pray for another generational talent to appear from nowhere.
I have had beers, but so far it appears a good plan.
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@nzzp said in All Blacks v France Test #2:
But give us another year or so and see who gets thrown up by the talent pyramid. We've just gone from very very hard to beat, to hard to beat. Given the current crop, I'll take that.
Like that (in bold) and will take it along a step
The NZ Talent Volcano
The brighest and hardest explode on to the scene and leave a lasting legacyHad a few Gin & Sodas myself
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@shadowtrooper you forgot strong ball carrier that makes it over the advantage line.
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