All Blacks vs England 2
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Not often I agree with Justin Marshall
All Blacks legend urges Scott Robertson to issue Rieko Ioane ultimatum to ‘evolve’ game plan
All Blacks great Justin Marshall believes Rieko Ioane’s place could be under threat.
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@Bones yep I agree - coaches need to work on him, not replace him. He is a natural runner so his first instinct is to get up to speed and then look. Better to know the space is there and pass on instinct. Good thing was they created more room in the 2nd test.
The lineout was a mess but confident they will sort it - everything including once they had the ball.
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@kev said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones yep I agree - coaches need to work on him, not replace him. He is a natural runner so his first instinct is to get up to speed and then look. Better to know the space is there and pass on instinct. Good thing was they created more room in the 2nd test.
The lineout was a mess but confident they will sort it - everything including once they had the ball.
How much longer does Reiko need. Before the coaches accept the obvious. Hes not a center.
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@Winger said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@kev said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones yep I agree - coaches need to work on him, not replace him. He is a natural runner so his first instinct is to get up to speed and then look. Better to know the space is there and pass on instinct. Good thing was they created more room in the 2nd test.
The lineout was a mess but confident they will sort it - everything including once they had the ball.
How much longer does Reiko need. Before the coaches accept the obvious. Hes not a center.
If he doesn’t adapt to rush d then not much longer. But this is a new coaching team so they will give him every chance.
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@kev said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Winger said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@kev said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones yep I agree - coaches need to work on him, not replace him. He is a natural runner so his first instinct is to get up to speed and then look. Better to know the space is there and pass on instinct. Good thing was they created more room in the 2nd test.
The lineout was a mess but confident they will sort it - everything including once they had the ball.
How much longer does Reiko need. Before the coaches accept the obvious. Hes not a center.
If he doesn’t adapt to rush d then not much longer. But this is a new coaching team so they will give him every chance.
Wait, wasn't that our problem with the old coaching team?
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@kev said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Winger said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@kev said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones yep I agree - coaches need to work on him, not replace him. He is a natural runner so his first instinct is to get up to speed and then look. Better to know the space is there and pass on instinct. Good thing was they created more room in the 2nd test.
The lineout was a mess but confident they will sort it - everything including once they had the ball.
How much longer does Reiko need. Before the coaches accept the obvious. Hes not a center.
If he doesn’t adapt to rush d then not much longer. But this is a new coaching team so they will give him every chance.
Why is it on him to adapt and not the coaching staff to devise a method of combating it?
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Weird how heaps of people can remember that Rieko didn't pass a bunch of times in both games, but nobody can describe a single instance in any detail.
Also odd that there is talk that he isn't good at "adapting" to rush defense - guess it's lucky that we have all those other 13's who ARE adapted, along with all those 13's we used to roll out that also suitably adapted.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@junior said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@antipodean said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Thanks England for a competitive series and well done Borthwick on fixing the abortion you inherited. If they keep improving (and they've got some very good talent in that team) they'll be a real threat in 27.
If we make the final in '27 I would not be surprised if they were our opponents.
I would be extremely surprised, mildly surprised if they make it past the quarters.
Well, they're not Ireland, that's for sure.
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@voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Weird how heaps of people can remember that Rieko didn't pass a bunch of times in both games, but nobody can describe a single instance in any detail.
It's really not weird. There's dozens of times players take the wrong option in innocuous situations, the only ones that get remembered are complete botch ups or try scoring situations (e.g. Perofeta not going inside or Beauds with the shithouse kick to nowhere for no reason.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Weird how heaps of people can remember that Rieko didn't pass a bunch of times in both games, but nobody can describe a single instance in any detail.
It's really not weird. There's dozens of times players take the wrong option in innocuous situations, the only ones that get remembered are complete botch ups or try scoring situations (e.g. Perofeta not going inside or Beauds with the shithouse kick to nowhere for no reason.
I'd say when an "AB great calls on the coach to issue an ultimatum" then it's a touch weird to not cite a single example
This is the fcking interweb, the home of pictures and videos, and best of all shiny red arrows - someone give us a bloody example to work with!
I'm not interested in someone saying "I remember 3 times" then being unable to describe a single one. They may as well just say "it's just the vibe of the thing"
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@voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Weird how heaps of people can remember that Rieko didn't pass a bunch of times in both games, but nobody can describe a single instance in any detail.
It's really not weird. There's dozens of times players take the wrong option in innocuous situations, the only ones that get remembered are complete botch ups or try scoring situations (e.g. Perofeta not going inside or Beauds with the shithouse kick to nowhere for no reason.
I'd say when an "AB great calls on the coach to issue an ultimatum" then it's a touch weird to not cite a single example
This is the fcking interweb, the home of pictures and videos, and best of all shiny red arrows - someone give us a bloody example to work with!
I'm not interested in someone saying "I remember 3 times" then being unable to describe a single one. They may as well just say "it's just the vibe of the thing"
Mashall saw the same as I did. Agree that maybe he should have given examples more fully (time and situation).
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@Winger said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@voodoo said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Weird how heaps of people can remember that Rieko didn't pass a bunch of times in both games, but nobody can describe a single instance in any detail.
It's really not weird. There's dozens of times players take the wrong option in innocuous situations, the only ones that get remembered are complete botch ups or try scoring situations (e.g. Perofeta not going inside or Beauds with the shithouse kick to nowhere for no reason.
I'd say when an "AB great calls on the coach to issue an ultimatum" then it's a touch weird to not cite a single example
This is the fcking interweb, the home of pictures and videos, and best of all shiny red arrows - someone give us a bloody example to work with!
I'm not interested in someone saying "I remember 3 times" then being unable to describe a single one. They may as well just say "it's just the vibe of the thing"
Mashall saw the same as I did. Agree that maybe he should have given examples more fully (time and situation).
I’d argue that he is paid for his opinions and sound bites. If you want research then pay him more 😀
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Lineout was a worry but we have had two of the worlds best leave/retire.
Barrett has always been good (not quite at Whitelock or BBBR level but capable for a shorter lock) but Ive never thought of Patty as a really good lineout guy. We,ve basically got two short locks and a reasonably tall six.However our shortage of locks means we cant play a lock at 6 and our issues at 6 means lineout is not the primary skillset we need from a 6. (especially with a short-ish 8).
Do we sacrifice a power defence six for a better lineout six? Swap Finau for say Grace who is a good lineout operator?
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@Lancaster-Park Finau's not bad in the lineout, we just chose to throw it to... Savea...?
Hoskins is a good lineout forward, though mentioning him is likely to get the Blues guys all frothy again. -
@Lancaster-Park said in All Blacks vs England 2:
Lineout was a worry but we have had two of the worlds best leave/retire.
Barrett has always been good (not quite at Whitelock or BBBR level but capable for a shorter lock) but Ive never thought of Patty as a really good lineout guy. We,ve basically got two short locks and a reasonably tall six.However our shortage of locks means we cant play a lock at 6 and our issues at 6 means lineout is not the primary skillset we need from a 6. (especially with a short-ish 8).
Do we sacrifice a power defence six for a better lineout six? Swap Finau for say Grace who is a good lineout operator?
Settle down
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@Winger said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@kev said in All Blacks vs England 2:
@Bones yep I agree - coaches need to work on him, not replace him. He is a natural runner so his first instinct is to get up to speed and then look. Better to know the space is there and pass on instinct. Good thing was they created more room in the 2nd test.
The lineout was a mess but confident they will sort it - everything including once they had the ball.
How much longer does Reiko need. Before the coaches accept the obvious. Hes not a center.
i dont think that fair, he has been arguably one of the best centres in the world in the past...hes just a particular type of centre and the coaches either need to
- drop him if how he plays doesnt fit with their game plan
- coach him to do what they need
- come up with a gameplan that lets him shine
just trying to play a certain way and then saying its not working....over and over...is not an option
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I'm no Rieko fluffer, but Beauden is getting sucked off by all and sundry and he blew 2 far more obvious overlaps than Rieko on the weekend.
When we have a night like that in the lineout and people are talking about our centre, that's just fucken weird.
