Michael Jones
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@mn5 said in Michael Jones:
I guess it depends if you want to be bored by stories of our lord or by gliding.
I’d go for MJ probably.
as what though - best flanker, or best rugby player? Not necessarily the same thing ...
I'd go for McCaw. Winning us a RWC after all those years with a broken foot - that's some top tier legend making right there. And the longevity; 148 tests in the toughest physical position on the field is just insane.
But I reckon peak Jones was a far better athlete, and probably a better 7 for a while. But if those are the criteria, we're dropping Jonah and playing Rupeni in our all time world XV
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@bovidae said in Michael Jones:
Hart made that great comment about Jones having the skill set to be a centre. Watch some of the footage from the 1987 RWC and you will understand why.
Que another Messam comparison. It should’ve happened Chiefs and ABs 😎
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@kirwan said in Michael Jones:
@mariner4life said in Michael Jones:
@snowy said in Michael Jones:
@mariner4life said in Michael Jones:
who is on the "AB Mt Rushmore" could be a good thread
Oh,oh,oh. Shit fight.
Actually both of these guys probably make it with Meads and Carter.
I've missed out heaps.
the old fuckers here will come for us hard
I reckon only Richie and Meads are locked in, everyone else will be a fucking shitfight.
Carter and Jones are easily locked in too. Same with Lomu.
Presume you mean Dan and not Mark ? Seems a pertinent question in a thread about Michael Jones
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@mn5 said in Michael Jones:
@kirwan said in Michael Jones:
@mariner4life said in Michael Jones:
@snowy said in Michael Jones:
@mariner4life said in Michael Jones:
who is on the "AB Mt Rushmore" could be a good thread
Oh,oh,oh. Shit fight.
Actually both of these guys probably make it with Meads and Carter.
I've missed out heaps.
the old fuckers here will come for us hard
I reckon only Richie and Meads are locked in, everyone else will be a fucking shitfight.
Carter and Jones are easily locked in too. Same with Lomu.
Presume you mean Dan and not Mark ? Seems a pertinent question in a thread about Michael Jones
Even on a Mt Rushmore of only number sevens I doubt that Mark's face would be carved in stone. He does have a street named after him in Manukau though.
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@snowy said in Michael Jones:
@mn5 said in Michael Jones:
@kirwan said in Michael Jones:
@mariner4life said in Michael Jones:
@snowy said in Michael Jones:
@mariner4life said in Michael Jones:
who is on the "AB Mt Rushmore" could be a good thread
Oh,oh,oh. Shit fight.
Actually both of these guys probably make it with Meads and Carter.
I've missed out heaps.
the old fuckers here will come for us hard
I reckon only Richie and Meads are locked in, everyone else will be a fucking shitfight.
Carter and Jones are easily locked in too. Same with Lomu.
Presume you mean Dan and not Mark ? Seems a pertinent question in a thread about Michael Jones
Even on a Mt Rushmore of only number sevens I doubt that Mark's face would be carved in stone. He does have a street named after him in Manukau though.
So, which four flankers are above him?
I can think of one, once arguable and then I struggled
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@nzzp said in Michael Jones:
@snowy said in Michael Jones:
@mn5 said in Michael Jones:
@kirwan said in Michael Jones:
@mariner4life said in Michael Jones:
@snowy said in Michael Jones:
@mariner4life said in Michael Jones:
who is on the "AB Mt Rushmore" could be a good thread
Oh,oh,oh. Shit fight.
Actually both of these guys probably make it with Meads and Carter.
I've missed out heaps.
the old fuckers here will come for us hard
I reckon only Richie and Meads are locked in, everyone else will be a fucking shitfight.
Carter and Jones are easily locked in too. Same with Lomu.
Presume you mean Dan and not Mark ? Seems a pertinent question in a thread about Michael Jones
Even on a Mt Rushmore of only number sevens I doubt that Mark's face would be carved in stone. He does have a street named after him in Manukau though.
So, which four flankers are above him?
I can think of one, once arguable and then I struggled
We’re taking about Mark Carter right?
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@nzzp said in Michael Jones:
@snowy said in Michael Jones:
@mn5 said in Michael Jones:
@kirwan said in Michael Jones:
@mariner4life said in Michael Jones:
@snowy said in Michael Jones:
@mariner4life said in Michael Jones:
who is on the "AB Mt Rushmore" could be a good thread
Oh,oh,oh. Shit fight.
Actually both of these guys probably make it with Meads and Carter.
I've missed out heaps.
the old fuckers here will come for us hard
I reckon only Richie and Meads are locked in, everyone else will be a fucking shitfight.
Carter and Jones are easily locked in too. Same with Lomu.
Presume you mean Dan and not Mark ? Seems a pertinent question in a thread about Michael Jones
Even on a Mt Rushmore of only number sevens I doubt that Mark's face would be carved in stone. He does have a street named after him in Manukau though.
So, which four flankers are above him?
I can think of one, once arguable and then I struggled
Well this thread is about one of them, the other is obvious and mentioned many times in this thread, then I would probably have Mourie, Kirkpatrick. There will be others that I have forgotten.
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@nepia said in Michael Jones:
Better opensides than Mark Carter since and including when he played:
MJ, GOAT, Kronfeld, Ginge, Brewer, Ardie, Zinny those two matches in EOYT when he played openside, etc etc.Also, I was never in the I hate Carter camp either.
duane monkley
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@ploughboy said in Michael Jones:
@nepia said in Michael Jones:
Better opensides than Mark Carter since and including when he played:
MJ, GOAT, Kronfeld, Ginge, Brewer, Ardie, Zinny those two matches in EOYT when he played openside, etc etc.Also, I was never in the I hate Carter camp either.
duane monkley
Sorry, I was just concentrating on test players not local heros.
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@nepia said in Michael Jones:
@nzzp said in Michael Jones:
@snowy said in Michael Jones:
@mn5 said in Michael Jones:
@kirwan said in Michael Jones:
@mariner4life said in Michael Jones:
@snowy said in Michael Jones:
@mariner4life said in Michael Jones:
who is on the "AB Mt Rushmore" could be a good thread
Oh,oh,oh. Shit fight.
Actually both of these guys probably make it with Meads and Carter.
I've missed out heaps.
the old fuckers here will come for us hard
I reckon only Richie and Meads are locked in, everyone else will be a fucking shitfight.
Carter and Jones are easily locked in too. Same with Lomu.
Presume you mean Dan and not Mark ? Seems a pertinent question in a thread about Michael Jones
Even on a Mt Rushmore of only number sevens I doubt that Mark's face would be carved in stone. He does have a street named after him in Manukau though.
So, which four flankers are above him?
I can think of one, once arguable and then I struggled
We’re taking about Mark Carter right?
Yeah I wondered if something was lost in translation there. Is Josh Kronfeld’s nickname Mark?
Mourie was another one. Jock Hobbs etc.
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@nepia said in Michael Jones:
@ploughboy said in Michael Jones:
@nepia said in Michael Jones:
Better opensides than Mark Carter since and including when he played:
MJ, GOAT, Kronfeld, Ginge, Brewer, Ardie, Zinny those two matches in EOYT when he played openside, etc etc.Also, I was never in the I hate Carter camp either.
duane monkley
Sorry, I was just concentrating on test players not local heros.
BURN CREAM!
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@snowy said in Michael Jones:
@nepia said in Michael Jones:
We’re taking about Mark Carter right?
Yes. Not quite sure why @nzzp can't think of 4 better flankers than him. Obviously holds him in very high regard.
'twas the sellotape. Made all the difference.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Michael Jones:
Yeah I wondered if something was lost in translation there. Is Josh Kronfeld’s nickname Mark?
Mourie was another one. Jock Hobbs etc.There must have been some sort of miscommunication.
I had Mourie above, and yep Hobbs should be on what is turning into quite an illustrious list.
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@nepia said in Michael Jones:
Better opensides than Mark Carter since and including when he played:
MJ, GOAT, Kronfeld, Ginge, Brewer, Ardie, Zinny those two matches in EOYT when he played openside, etc etc.Also, I was never in the I hate Carter camp either.
Holah at me yo
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@arhs said in Michael Jones:
@snowy did you have Duane Monkley and Marty Holah? I rate McCaw as best and Kronfeld and Jones next.
No to Monkely and Holah. I'm not from Waikato and therefor a completely impartial adjudicator. We aren't doing a Rushmore on Pirongia either.
I also suspect that older folk will have issues with some of those - not Jones or McCaw. They are having their faces chiseled out of a mountain wherever it is.
Kronfeld might sneak onto to said mountain but he does have some serious competition from previous decades. One of the Boomers will let us know I'm sure.
