Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18
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@Kirwan said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Kirwan said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@mariner4life said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@antipodean said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@African-Monkey said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
Oh yay Mo'unga to get another start at 10......
Someone needs to get experience. We don't want a situation where we only have one five-eighth.
do we have that now?
Yes, he has an injured archilles.
i thought we all decided he was no more than okay at 10? or are we just happy to have that level of output now?
Can't pick 2005 Dan Carter, so just have to pick the best we have and that's BB.
RM has a long way to go to get to BB's standard. And we need to start developing other options to help RM improve and give us a backup plan if this is his ceiling.
Reminds me of the Mannix/Bachop days. No stand out options, waiting for a Merhts to appear on the horizon.
That's a pretty harsh comparison to make with 2x WR player of the year BB
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@Chris said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@African-Monkey said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@mariner4life No doubt, however, that is a massive IF. Some guys can develop the required skills on the go (Nonu springs to mind) and I hope Mo'unga can for the benefit of the national side, but my concern is, is that he hasn't had to change a hell of a lot at Super Rugby due to his side being so successful and has only really had to play in the one style,which hasn't transferred to test level. I hope that he has started to realise that other aspects of his game need to develop which I'm sure he has if he is to succeed at this level, otherwise I can't see him lasting that long if he thinks he can just transfer the same stuff from Super level to Test level.
Im expecting big things from him at Eden Park or whatever its called now, he certainly needs a big test.
No doubt. But First Five is a learning curve position in Test Rugby. if we look back BB,Merts were not a roaring success straight away.
DC was eased in at 2nd five for a season.
It takes time at First Five we need to stay with RM for a while no doubt he needs to improve but if BB is having achilles problems they can hang around for some time and can flare up again, pick Ioane he's no.1 who is next if he goes down if you take RM out of the picture with BB injured.
No need to panic yet up, front is the problem we have been bullied and out played there in the last 2 tests.The LF mix is fucked up and our best FB is on the wing Foster needs to sort a lot of shit out maybe find a decisive game plan I don't see one yet.
If you don't at least get parity up front you don't win.Mehts was an immediate roaring success.
finished in fat whimper 8 years later though.
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@Machpants said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
"All Blacks don't cry"
Ok so what is it that you are doing, plums?
Yeah I don't like it when we bleat in the media thats the Aussie,English way not the AB's way to deal with things ,sort it out on the field get physical impose yourselves is this the start of a soft AB's underbelly I really hope not.
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@Machpants said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
"All Blacks don't cry"
Ok so what is it that you are doing, plums?
fuck as if i wasn't already disappointed enough in this coaching group
we are Cheika's wallabies. start saying goodbye to trophies
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Wallaby fans must find it hilarious to see the hyperventilating about BB and RM, when they have O'Connor at 10. Excellent player but not a test standard flyhalf.
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@Nepia said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
so...in the last 10 minutes ive seen posts on the socials saying
BB didn't train today
JB seen limping with an icepack
and obviously WhitelockMy Barrett voodoo dolls are working.
Hopefully all short term despite your efforts. What did you do to older brother Kane? Chuck the doll under a stampeding herd of cattle?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Nepia said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
so...in the last 10 minutes ive seen posts on the socials saying
BB didn't train today
JB seen limping with an icepack
and obviously WhitelockMy Barrett voodoo dolls are working.
Hopefully all short term despite your efforts. What did you do to older brother Kane? Chuck the doll under a stampeding herd of cattle?
Only short term, and only really for SB when he plays 6, and BB when he was an awesome player but not good 10 (I actually want him returned to 10 at the moment), and only JB, um, when he makes his silly mistakes.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
Wallaby fans must find it hilarious to see the hyperventilating about BB and RM, when they have O'Connor at 10. Excellent player but not a test standard flyhalf.
in fairness i thought he did well on the weekend
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@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
Wallaby fans must find it hilarious to see the hyperventilating about BB and RM, when they have O'Connor at 10. Excellent player but not a test standard flyhalf.
in fairness i thought he did well on the weekend
It helped that they had front-foot ball and Sqeak from Baseketball having a picnic at the breakdown.
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@Machpants said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
"All Blacks don't cry"
Ok so what is it that you are doing, plums?
Someone needs media training. "You saw what you saw, the ref can only adjudicate on what his team sees and on the field we need to do a better job responding".
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@Kiwiwomble said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
Wallaby fans must find it hilarious to see the hyperventilating about BB and RM, when they have O'Connor at 10. Excellent player but not a test standard flyhalf.
in fairness i thought he did well on the weekend
Bieber's step off both feet to leave Ofa grasping at air was funny for all the wrong reasons.
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@mariner4life total bitch move
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
Grant Fox just said it's a 3-test Bledisloe.
Just watched it on YouTube. Have never seen Foxy this defensive and stressed before. Very unlike the cool and measured person we have seen over the last few years.
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@akan004 said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
Grant Fox just said it's a 3-test Bledisloe.
Just watched it on YouTube. Have never seen Foxy this defensive and stressed before. Very unlike the cool and measured person we have seen over the last few years.
Yeah the 'nz needs to understand' is bullshit. Proof is in the pudding and since 2017 the ABs Plum Duff has had more rat dung and cat vomit in it as time has gone on.
Interesting Squidge about Japan beating Boks in 15. I was watching that at (soccer type) bro in laws house, so just checking in once every so often. By the end we were all around the TV! But they played very much off 9, with long passes. That is something the ABs could learn from AKA Lions Test 1, certainly something to think about, with Aaron's bullet pass
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@Machpants Incredible isn't it that we seemingly had worked out how to unlock the rush D in Lions Test 1 by playing off 9 and then never used that tactic again for whatever strange reason.
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Just on BB, I am having trouble explaining what is going on there. It's like he has something major on his mind and rugby just isn't doing it for him anymore. He has just been off all year, did he miss Wellington that much or is married life not all he thought it would be?
Or is it possible he has always wanted to play 10 and has just got the shits the Fozzie has forced him to play 15 and influenced the Blues for him to play there also?
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@Bones said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@chimoaus yeah he hasn't seemed to have the "spark" we're used to seeing. Maybe he's lost that extra yard of pace that made a difference? Maybe trying to change his game? Or as you say, maybe just not "into it".
He's barely played this year. But when he turned out for the Blues, his steadying influence was noticeable
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Don't get the Dmac hate after last week's game. He had a shit year for the Chiefs and y'all know that I was a massive critic of him on here, but dude played well during NvS and the test last week. I'd have no issues with him on the bench and if he had to start at 15 it wouldn't bother me.
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@canefan said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@Bones said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:
@chimoaus yeah he hasn't seemed to have the "spark" we're used to seeing. Maybe he's lost that extra yard of pace that made a difference? Maybe trying to change his game? Or as you say, maybe just not "into it".
He's barely played this year. But when he turned out for the Blues, his steadying influence was noticeable
How many Blues games did he miss?
It’s been a disrupted year for all, but he’s still played quite a bit.
I don’t know what influence AB selectors have over the franchises, but to me the Blues selections were more about weighing the positives of a Black/Barrett 10/15 combo over Barrett/anyone else. Quality fullback options for the Blues were pretty light on from what I remember.
Ideally you want your best options in each position playing there but to me Barrett was both the best 10 and best 15 in the Blues squad.
I agree he has looked less than his best and down on his regular confident and sometimes high risk play.
