The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread
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I'd at least like to see some new stuff, a bit of the attacking flair that the chiefs had under him (obviously better defence) but so far just more from the Hansen coaching book, which seemed to be less interesting post-wayne smith as well.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@NTA I think if we beat the Wobs well with the same old shit, it will be satisfying but it is just a matter of time before the wheels fall off again. It is the same old problems and absolutely no new innovation that has people worried. The game is changing and the national side is stuck in the same place.
Same place the Wallabies have been in for years. Victory can make you complacent.
Compare that to the Wobs who seem to be on an upwards path and it is irrelevant if they win or lose on Saturday. It is just a matter of time before they pull ahead of the NZ if the ABs don't innovate and change.
Yeah but that is kind of an obvious statement to make - you don't move forward, you are going backwards, like business..
TBH I thought you didn't really grow that much under Hansen because the victories across the board weren't particularly hard won, and you started running out of RWC2007 people who drew a line in the sand and said "never again".
All that said, it is a little early to draw statements based off one result from the weekend. The temptation to get into a funk happens every so often with AB fans I've noticed, especially when you're not handing out a thrashing as a matter of course.
However, this time I think particularly it is being viewed harshly through the following lenses:
- The decision to take Foster and not even consider Rennie until it was too late
- The belief that Super Rugby Aotearoa was vastly superior to Super Rugby AU (and it might still prove to be)
- The utter dysfunction that Rugby Australia fell into earlier in the year
- The more recent dysfunction that NZR appear to have embraced as standard operating procedure
I think we should give this until the end of October before we start drawing and quartering the AB coaching staff. I'll be at the Bledisloe with a stack of people from my club (half of them bloody Kiwis) so we'll know more around 10PM Sydney time on October 31st.
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@Kirwan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@NTA I think if we beat the Wobs well with the same old shit, it will be satisfying but it is just a matter of time before the wheels fall off again. It is the same old problems and absolutely no new innovation that has people worried. The game is changing and the national side is stuck in the same place.
Compare that to the Wobs who seem to be on an upwards path and it is irrelevant if they win or lose on Saturday. It is just a matter of time before they pull ahead of the NZ if the ABs don't innovate and change.I was wondering what an in form England or SA would have done to that team in the weekend.
Probably the same thing an in form All Blacks would have done.
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@Bones said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Kirwan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I was wondering what an in form England or SA would have done to that team in the weekend.
Probably the same thing an in form All Blacks would have done.
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@Bones said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Kirwan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@NTA I think if we beat the Wobs well with the same old shit, it will be satisfying but it is just a matter of time before the wheels fall off again. It is the same old problems and absolutely no new innovation that has people worried. The game is changing and the national side is stuck in the same place.
Compare that to the Wobs who seem to be on an upwards path and it is irrelevant if they win or lose on Saturday. It is just a matter of time before they pull ahead of the NZ if the ABs don't innovate and change.I was wondering what an in form England or SA would have done to that team in the weekend.
Probably the same thing an in form All Blacks would have done.
Beat me to it!
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@Machpants said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Bones said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Kirwan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@NTA I think if we beat the Wobs well with the same old shit, it will be satisfying but it is just a matter of time before the wheels fall off again. It is the same old problems and absolutely no new innovation that has people worried. The game is changing and the national side is stuck in the same place.
Compare that to the Wobs who seem to be on an upwards path and it is irrelevant if they win or lose on Saturday. It is just a matter of time before they pull ahead of the NZ if the ABs don't innovate and change.I was wondering what an in form England or SA would have done to that team in the weekend.
Probably the same thing an in form All Blacks would have done.
Beat me to it!
Yeah not @Kirwan's best work.
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@Kirwan said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Everyone is a comedian
If we’re not lynching, we should be laughing.
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@booboo said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I was initially prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I'm teetering on the edge.
To my mind he's fucked up twice:
- Selection: Picking four players out of position, and bland placeholding type players
- Performance: if the above team had performed it may have excused the selection. But it didn't.
I was wanting to do a longer rant but don't have time, but to me it seems he wants to be a bit cutesy and reinvent rugby. By that I mean he seems to have picked two 1st 5s, playing them in numbers 10 and 15, and two fullbacks at 11 and 14 to cover the 2nd 1st 5/8.
Over complicated?
Rugby has developed the positions it has over 150 odd years as that seems to be the best way to play it.
His midfield pissed me off no end.
And Ardie as our heavy hitter.
I am very neutral on Fozzie at the moment.
If thats neutral, I cant wait to see you angry
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@chimoaus "it doesn't mean I could shoot a wedding"
just think of the bride and groom as predator and prey -
@voodoo said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@booboo said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I was initially prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I'm teetering on the edge.
To my mind he's fucked up twice:
- Selection: Picking four players out of position, and bland placeholding type players
- Performance: if the above team had performed it may have excused the selection. But it didn't.
I was wanting to do a longer rant but don't have time, but to me it seems he wants to be a bit cutesy and reinvent rugby. By that I mean he seems to have picked two 1st 5s, playing them in numbers 10 and 15, and two fullbacks at 11 and 14 to cover the 2nd 1st 5/8.
Over complicated?
Rugby has developed the positions it has over 150 odd years as that seems to be the best way to play it.
His midfield pissed me off no end.
And Ardie as our heavy hitter.
I am very neutral on Fozzie at the moment.
If thats neutral, I cant wait to see you angry
Channeling Bill Bixby/Lou Ferrigno/David Banner: "Don't make me angry ... you won't like me when I'm angry ... "
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@voodoo said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@booboo said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I was initially prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I'm teetering on the edge.
To my mind he's fucked up twice:
- Selection: Picking four players out of position, and bland placeholding type players
- Performance: if the above team had performed it may have excused the selection. But it didn't.
I was wanting to do a longer rant but don't have time, but to me it seems he wants to be a bit cutesy and reinvent rugby. By that I mean he seems to have picked two 1st 5s, playing them in numbers 10 and 15, and two fullbacks at 11 and 14 to cover the 2nd 1st 5/8.
Over complicated?
Rugby has developed the positions it has over 150 odd years as that seems to be the best way to play it.
His midfield pissed me off no end.
And Ardie as our heavy hitter.
I am very neutral on Fozzie at the moment.
If thats neutral, I cant wait to see you angry
He's not neutral, he's very neutral.
<Start thunderclap>.
And I totally agree with him but I'd go even further, what clever tactic, move or strategy have we seen from Foster since he joined the AB coaching team? And how long ago? -
@nostrildamus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@voodoo said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@booboo said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I was initially prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I'm teetering on the edge.
To my mind he's fucked up twice:
- Selection: Picking four players out of position, and bland placeholding type players
- Performance: if the above team had performed it may have excused the selection. But it didn't.
I was wanting to do a longer rant but don't have time, but to me it seems he wants to be a bit cutesy and reinvent rugby. By that I mean he seems to have picked two 1st 5s, playing them in numbers 10 and 15, and two fullbacks at 11 and 14 to cover the 2nd 1st 5/8.
Over complicated?
Rugby has developed the positions it has over 150 odd years as that seems to be the best way to play it.
His midfield pissed me off no end.
And Ardie as our heavy hitter.
I am very neutral on Fozzie at the moment.
If thats neutral, I cant wait to see you angry
He's not neutral, he's very neutral.
<Start thunderclap>.
And I totally agree with him but I'd go even further, what clever tactic, move or strategy have we seen from Foster since he joined the AB coaching team? And how long ago?I quite liked how at halftime he told them to go out and do the same move the Aussies did before halftime.
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@nostrildamus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@chimoaus "it doesn't mean I could shoot a wedding"
just think of the bride and groom as predator and preyI would much rather spend my time with a Red-bellied Black Snake than a bride.
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@nostrildamus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@voodoo said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@booboo said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I was initially prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I'm teetering on the edge.
To my mind he's fucked up twice:
- Selection: Picking four players out of position, and bland placeholding type players
- Performance: if the above team had performed it may have excused the selection. But it didn't.
I was wanting to do a longer rant but don't have time, but to me it seems he wants to be a bit cutesy and reinvent rugby. By that I mean he seems to have picked two 1st 5s, playing them in numbers 10 and 15, and two fullbacks at 11 and 14 to cover the 2nd 1st 5/8.
Over complicated?
Rugby has developed the positions it has over 150 odd years as that seems to be the best way to play it.
His midfield pissed me off no end.
And Ardie as our heavy hitter.
I am very neutral on Fozzie at the moment.
If thats neutral, I cant wait to see you angry
He's not neutral, he's very neutral.
<Start thunderclap>.
And I totally agree with him but I'd go even further, what clever tactic, move or strategy have we seen from Foster since he joined the AB coaching team? And how long ago?That awesome move with Dagg off the scrum against the Lions. 3rd test, time almost up, excellent field position. Obviously the best move is a crash ball with Dagg. How could anyone have known he'd be held up by the tacklers and a scrum awarded to the Lions. FFS.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@nostrildamus said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@voodoo said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@booboo said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I was initially prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt, but I'm teetering on the edge.
To my mind he's fucked up twice:
- Selection: Picking four players out of position, and bland placeholding type players
- Performance: if the above team had performed it may have excused the selection. But it didn't.
I was wanting to do a longer rant but don't have time, but to me it seems he wants to be a bit cutesy and reinvent rugby. By that I mean he seems to have picked two 1st 5s, playing them in numbers 10 and 15, and two fullbacks at 11 and 14 to cover the 2nd 1st 5/8.
Over complicated?
Rugby has developed the positions it has over 150 odd years as that seems to be the best way to play it.
His midfield pissed me off no end.
And Ardie as our heavy hitter.
I am very neutral on Fozzie at the moment.
If thats neutral, I cant wait to see you angry
He's not neutral, he's very neutral.
<Start thunderclap>.
And I totally agree with him but I'd go even further, what clever tactic, move or strategy have we seen from Foster since he joined the AB coaching team? And how long ago?That awesome move with Dagg off the scrum against the Lions. 3rd test, time almost up, excellent field position. Obviously the best move is a crash ball with Dagg. How could anyone have known he'd be held up by the tacklers and a scrum awarded to the Lions. FFS.
Fucking Lol (TM m4l)
Come on be fair though, if you could have guessed ten moves, was that one of them? Hashtag element of surprise
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@NTA said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Same place the Wallabies have been in for years. Victory can make you complacent.
Is that like saying "suck it up cos we had to for years?" With all due respect f#%k right off! I do not want to experience what Wob fans have gone through. I have seen the pain in my brother-in-law's face! The obvious mistakes again and again......
Yeah but that is kind of an obvious statement to make - you don't move forward, you are going backwards, like business..
No shit. hence the average AB fans angst at the moment. They haven't seen any go forward since the obvious staleness shown in the 2016 Lion's series. Every friggen problem in that series is still friggen haunting us today!!!!!! FFS!!!!!
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@Old-Samurai-Jack French refs never help the blood pressure too aye 😉
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