Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?
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@rotated said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@dogmeat said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
How do he and Gatland get along?
Gatland worked under Fozzie in 2006/7 at the Chiefs before the Wales gig.
They live down the road from one another from what is out there get along pretty well. Besides they were on the shield team together...
Hey...so was Mitch, wasn't he?! What a great redemption story that would be - a Waikato trifecta of coaches!
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@rotated said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@dogmeat said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
How do he and Gatland get along?
Gatland worked under Fozzie in 2006/7 at the Chiefs before the Wales gig.
They live down the road from one another from what is out there get along pretty well. Besides they were on the shield team together...
Gatland didn't really "work under" Foster. He helped out because he was in town anyway.
Once a decent offer came he skedaddled.
Gatland's resume now is five times better than Foster's, mixed as it is. At least his teams don't melt down under pressure like Foster's. Eight years at the Chiefs, with one good season (which ended in a bloodbath) is not the career of an AB coach IMO.
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@nzzp said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@junior said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@nzzp said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@Nepia said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@Chris-B said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@nzzp A lot more time/games to find the winning formula.
Hansen was 0-6, but he didn't have a Lions job to pad out his record (Warren has 3 wins and a draw from the Lions).
Can't tell you about Ted - except he lost 2-1 to Oz with the Lions and I'm pretty sure he never coached against the ABs.
Also got a win over the Saffas with Wales which was unheard of at that time.
Also made provincial and super rugby his bitch until some dodgy reffing in 1998.
Edit: Now that Dave Rennie appears to be Wallaby bound I change my vote to Razor (IIRC I picked either of those two equally with the other assistant but I could only select one option).
I could easily live with Razor head coach, Gats and Fozzie assistants. Foz brings continuity for a season or two; Gats gets to hatch schemes without the pressure of the head coaching gig. Could suit him like it suited Wayne-o.
How likely is this, though? For all their faults, Fozzie and Gats have much more experience than Razor, especially at the international level.
How happy would they be to be working as Razor's juniors, but likely having to coach him through managing an international rugby team at the same time...?
Fair point, and it really depends what Gats wants I suppose. 13 years in a fishbowl as No 1; why wouldn't you just step back from the limelight and coach in the background if that's what you enjoy? It worked for Wayne Smith
But the guy Wayne was working with wasn’t some young up and comer....
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He's always been a crybaby tosser, but Gatland's behaviour during the Lions tour sealed the deal on whether I'd want him near the ABs. His ridiculous tanty about the Dan Carter incident was bad enough. There are plenty of good NZ coaches, don't need that twat involved.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
He's always been a crybaby tosser, but Gatland's behaviour during the Lions tour sealed the deal on whether I'd want him near the ABs. His ridiculous tanty about the Dan Carter incident was bad enough. There are plenty of good NZ coaches, don't need that twat involved.
I'm with you in regards to his conduct. He has got a petty side to his personality that I'm not that comfortable with
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Will Razor be selected with only domestic experience though? I'd say they'd probably plump for a coach with international coaching under his belt, with Razor as an assistant, and let him earn his spurs. In a similar way to Henry and Shag.
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@ShadowTrooper said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
Will Razor be selected with only domestic experience though? I'd say they'd probably plump for a coach with international coaching under his belt, with Razor as an assistant, and let him earn his spurs. In a similar way to Henry and Shag.
Maybe Gats might not even want the gig?So many variables to consider. If Shag wins the cup and Fozzie gets the top job, does he keep the other assistants or does he start again? The recent trend is to maintain stability throughout. If he chooses to bring in new people, could they be Razor and Gats? I'm not sure if it's Razor's time right now. He's still very young (not to say that should stop him getting the top job), he won't be harmed by gaining more experience at home or even abroad. Just not in the SANZAR region preferably
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@chimoaus said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
I wonder if Edwards comes as a package deal with Gatland. He seems to have been Gatlands right hand man for awhile.
Edwards going back to League.
Head Coach of Wigan.
Cancel that. Not going to Wigan now.
Unemployed after the WC.
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@sparky said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
According to a sauce who knew Gatland at Wasps, Gatland is highly likely to be the Chiefs coach next year.
That's the Super gig he always wanted. Good chance to get back in the NZ frame.
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@MiketheSnow said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@chimoaus said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
I wonder if Edwards comes as a package deal with Gatland. He seems to have been Gatlands right hand man for awhile.
Edwards going back to League.
Head Coach of Wigan.
Cancel that. Not going to Wigan now.
Unemployed after the WC.
Or maybe not....
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well the apparent success of O'Gara at the Canterbury team will have opened the door for other NH aspiring coaches to venture down here I expect.
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According to French media (L'Equipe), France are interested in Gatland becoming their new head coach, with Ronan O'Gara as a possible assistant.
Rugby World Cup 2019: Warren Gatland reportedly chased for France coaching job | Newshub
Warren Gatland will leave his Wales post after the Rugby World Cup.
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From the 1014 interview Gatland seemed pretty intent on returning to NZ. He has been away for a long time now and is not getting any younger. He has done all there is to do in the Northern Hemisphere you would think. What motivation apart from money does he have to coach England or France. I doubt he is short of a dollar so my money is on him returning to NZ either in the AB's or for the Chiefs.
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@Machpants said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
Pity we can't bring in Edwards as a "vs NH sides defence adviser" for the RWC!
Was impressed with Wales defence especially for the England and Ireland matches. Ireland never looked likely in the early stages despite spending a fair chunk of time camped on the Welsh line.
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@rotated I dont think there is any downside to have international experience. The only one I can see is that we are effectively saying you have to go and coach outside of NZ if you want to coach the ABs.
This has lead to the brain drain happening which is just as damaging than the player drain. It also means NZ IP is being introduced to other countries.
Would any current super rugby coach be in the role if Cotter, Gatland, schmidt Rennie, picav and Boyd, Joseph etc were available for coaching roles?
The answer is no, with the possible exception of Robertson.
Could we have kept all the above coaches? No but I dont see the point of ushering them out the door if you have ambitions of coaching the ABs.
On the flipside, gatland is surely a better coach now than if he stayed in NZ. The power has swung to the north and its a good thing for coaches to have experience in this environment.
However, when you consider that a lot of people think it is a done deal with Foster succeeding Hansen after the world cup then you have to ask what is the point of getting all this internation experience?
Sure, Foster has been an asst coach for an international team but has actually never been an international head coach. Perhaps Gatland etc should have stayed in NZ and taken a less demanding role of asst coach to land the big prize.
Plus there will be plenty of the above coaches who leave NZ and never come back to coach here
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@DaGrubster frankly the idea of Foz taking on the head coaching role scares me. He was poor with the chiefs, and it is one thing to be a good assistant, another entirely to be a head coach. For starters he will need to identify talent.....
