Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?
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The odds on Gats becoming AB coach have dramatically increased I think
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Personally, don't want Gatland coaching the Chiefs or the AB's, personally don't think the NZRU want him as Head Coach of AB's either.
I'd also rather he didn't clog up our limited coaching pathways for the next up & comer.
I wouldn't mind him coming in to the AB's setup as an AC. I like the idea of a Razor/Gatland ticket - Razor is clearly a great man-manager, man-coach, man-innovator, Gatland brings the ton of global experience to offset Razors lack of.
I could see a Foster/Gatland ticket.Concerned our attack-play has suffered since Wayne Smith left.
How quickly we've gone cold on Joe Schmidt, even if hes not "available"
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This has been posted elsewhere on the fern but for anyone who missed it here is an awesome down to earth interview with Gatland.
I have to say after watching that my opinion of him has changed a lot. Also listening to players who played under him seem to sing his praises. Look what he has done with Wales, I can only imagine what he could do with NZ. Gatland, Razer and O'Gara sounds good to me.
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@westcoastie said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
Personally, don't want Gatland coaching the Chiefs or the AB's, personally don't think the NZRU want him as Head Coach of AB's either.
I'd also rather he didn't clog up our limited coaching pathways for the next up & comer.
I wouldn't mind him coming in to the AB's setup as an AC. I like the idea of a Razor/Gatland ticket - Razor is clearly a great man-manager, man-coach, man-innovator, Gatland brings the ton of global experience to offset Razors lack of.
I could see a Foster/Gatland ticket.Concerned our attack-play has suffered since Wayne Smith left.
How quickly we've gone cold on Joe Schmidt, even if hes not "available"
Have never warmed to either Gatland or Schmidt to take over.
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IMO I can’t see what else Scott Robsinson would have to do to get the job.
Each team he’s taken on has won, and played well. Can’t just say it’s the Crusaders system either, as Blackadder was rubbish. The new guys that they swap in for missing ABs don’t miss a beat.
So he would be my head coach (100 times over Foster). Gatland or anybody else would assistants at best.
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@Kirwan said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
IMO I can’t see what else Scott Robsinson would have to do to get the job.
International experience. They like it - Henry and Hansen both coached overseas before taking on the role. Coaching internationals isn't coaching a club/provincial side - some key differences with how your personnel are handled, who's available, etc.
Deans was a very good coach, but probably better at club than international level. That said, maybe the post-Deans results suggest he was outstanding
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Previously international experience has been specifically mentioned as desired and/or required. But I seem to remember Tew mentioning this time it was not a requirement, which I feel is a nod to Razor being in the race, where as previous couple of times he wouldn't have been. Deans was the last one considered without international experience, he had an even better (well longer higher level of success) but lost out due to not having a team.
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No way in hell the NZ public accepts that style of rugby Gatland excels at.
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I'd take it at the Chiefs right now though.
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@mariner4life said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
No way in hell the NZ public accepts that style of rugby Gatland excels at.
It'd be interesting to see if he stuck to that system so rigidly if he were in an environment more conducive to playing an expansive game. Same goes for Schmidt - other than a few nice set piece moves, most of Irelan'd rugby has been fairly turgid.
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@junior said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@mariner4life said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
No way in hell the NZ public accepts that style of rugby Gatland excels at.
It'd be interesting to see if he stuck to that system so rigidly if he were in an environment more conducive to playing an expansive game. Same goes for Schmidt - other than a few nice set piece moves, most of Irelan'd rugby has been fairly turgid.
Agree on both counts.
Do you take a punt they can change given different cattle?
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Gatland's Lions teams played some outstanding Rugby, remember the Sean O'Brien try. As have his Wales teams on occasion when conditions allow. It was only really his Wasps team who were always dour and won ugly.
He would expect higher standards from New Zealand goalkickers and defences than in recent years. Like Steve Hansen ( and Ted & Razor) is a superb man manager who gets the best out of his players and can coach them to become better.
I think Gatland's leadership, organisation, experience, tactical skill, humanity and determination hand-in-hand with the right Attack coach could be an outstanding combination for the ABs. I'd love to see him mentor Razor who is growing year-on-year into a very special coach indeed.
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@sparky said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
Gatland's Lions teams played some outstanding Rugby, remember the Sean O'Brien try. As have his Wales teams on occasion when conditions allow. It was only really his Wasps team who were always dour and won ugly.
He would expect higher standards from New Zealand goalkickers and defences than in recent years. Like Steve Hansen ( and Ted & Razor) is a superb man manager who gets the best out of his players and can coach them to become better.
I think Gatland's leadership, organisation, experience, tactical skill, humanity and determination hand-in-hand with the right Attack coach could be an outstanding combination for the ABs. I'd love to see him mentor Razor who is growing year-on-year into a very special coach indeed.
That try was more ad-lib counter attack than well-worked offensive play. (I'm not suggesting that Gats can't coach an attack, just that I don't think that's a good example.)
I agree with the rest of your post, though. Given how poor our defence has been since 2015, I'd be tempted to get in someone with Gats' skills on that basis alone.
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@Kirwan said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
IMO I can’t see what else Scott Robsinson would have to do to get the job.
Each team he’s taken on has won, and played well.
You missed the 2016 Under 20's campaign?
Robertson has impressed, I see him as a future AB coach, but he is still missing the International piece and hasn't faced sufficient adversity. Rennie had a better resume after his two titles and I wouldn't have wanted him either.
Smith by his own admission was appointed too early into his career. Ted would not have been the same coach he became if appointed in 1998. Deans as assistant in 2003 same thing. These guys all had the same or better resumes than Razor and outside of Smith (in some respects) inherited good teams and made them great at provincial level. All were handed some pretty miserable lessons at international level that flogging Natal by 40 points hadn't prepared them for.
Razor needs to take his lumps and coach without having a full hand before he is a HC candidate for me.
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@junior said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@sparky said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
Gatland's Lions teams played some outstanding Rugby, remember the Sean O'Brien try. As have his Wales teams on occasion when conditions allow. It was only really his Wasps team who were always dour and won ugly.
He would expect higher standards from New Zealand goalkickers and defences than in recent years. Like Steve Hansen ( and Ted & Razor) is a superb man manager who gets the best out of his players and can coach them to become better.
I think Gatland's leadership, organisation, experience, tactical skill, humanity and determination hand-in-hand with the right Attack coach could be an outstanding combination for the ABs. I'd love to see him mentor Razor who is growing year-on-year into a very special coach indeed.
That try was more ad-lib counter attack than well-worked offensive play. (I'm not suggesting that Gats can't coach an attack, just that I don't think that's a good example.)
I agree with the rest of your post, though. Given how poor our defence has been since 2015, I'd be tempted to get in someone with Gats' skills on that basis alone.
That would be Sir Shaun Edwards
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@sparky said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
I think Gatland's leadership, organisation, experience, tactical skill, humanity and determination hand-in-hand with the right Attack coach could be an outstanding combination for the ABs. I'd love to see him mentor Razor who is growing year-on-year into a very special coach indeed.
The Aussies should be scraping around to raise however much it takes to get him (or Schmidt) over there. On balance, though, i think Gats would be a better bet for them
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few points
The NZR would be foolish to overlook Gatland or not have him in a very shortlist.
Gatland's record speaks for itself - with every team.The Welsh squad only a few who would warrant discussion in a world xv. They play for clubs which arent doing very well and he has moulded them into a fantastic team - playing more than the sum of its parts.
The above point is going to be applicable to the ABs as we could be fielding a pretty inexperienced AB side.
The Ab's over the last 18 months are a team less than the sum of their parts.
Our forward pack seems a little unpderpowered and our breakdown strategy needs refining. Gatland is very good in these areas.
Gatland is a hell of a lot better than foster!
I also like the idea of him assisting/mentoring Scott robertson.
The NZR should remove the international coaching requirement/nice to have as it has contributed to the coaching drain, which is hurting as just as much, if not more, than the player drain. Bar robertson and Handsen, all the best NZ coaches are overseas now.
Gatland is a serious contender as is Robertson - if the answer is Foster then I hope it is only because we have won the RWC!
