All Blacks vs Boks
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@Bones I shouldn't be commenting right now.
The interpretation of all the "contact off the ball" calls was comically bad. Obstruction, clearing past the ball, continuing after the whistle and rolling away was in no way rugby.
Offside was not policed.
Inexperience of the springbok team brutally exposed though. A better side would have identified the gap being afforded by the ref, but the Springbok team failed to take advantage of the opportunity to spoil when it was clearly being allowed
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@Gunner said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@Stockcar86 said in All Blacks vs Boks:
Anyone have any clue what this is all about?
Because SA have two teams playing in Pro 14 comp the SARU President Mark Alexander has been quoted as saying the Springboks could, sometime in the future, field two different test teams - one of a team from the Pro 14 players for tests in Northern Hemisphere and the other of a team from Super Rugby players for tests in Southern Hemisphere.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Boks:
This could end up being a 50/50 game the way we are going
Well, that was wrong!
yeah strange game , we were horrible to begin with
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@Number-10 said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@Gunner said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@Stockcar86 said in All Blacks vs Boks:
Anyone have any clue what this is all about?
Because SA have two teams playing in Pro 14 comp the SARU President Mark Alexander has been quoted as saying the Springboks could, sometime in the future, field two different test teams - one of a team from the Pro 14 players for tests in Northern Hemisphere and the other of a team from Super Rugby players for tests in Southern Hemisphere.
It was Jurie Roux who said that in an interview around time of the PRO14 launch in SA.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Boks:
This could end up being a 50/50 game the way we are going
Good spotting... 50 something
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@Pot-Hale I think it's these comments here by Mark Alexander (three days ago) that Burger is specifically referring to.
https://www.supersport.com/rugby/springboks/news/170913/Boks_could_field_hemisphere_sides_in_future
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57-0 wow didn't see that coming.
Ioane was shit hot. Savea isn't getting that spot back unless Ioane is injured.
Plenty of guys played well. SBW much better when he isn't trying to pull off an off load every touch.
Scott Barrett was good at 6. Great to have that cover on the bench.
Pity Squire went off though, he was looking good.BB's goal kicking was much better. More of that please.
Dmac was better this game but still showing a tendancy to run across field and get monstered.
That early high ball drop was bad too.As someone else said during the game Hames showed that all he is renowned for is giving away penalties. Crockett needs to start until Moody is back.
Ofa was good. Hopefully he has turned a corner.
Thought NMS was pretty good. Not sure why everyone is down on him for lacking pace. As far as i can remember outright pace has never been his strength. It is his stepping, skill and awareness. He showed those tonight. Slowing up to give BB the ball was a much better option than trying to make it and getting run down.
Of our recent 14s only Naholo is known for having real gas. Not sure Dagg or Smith would have made it all the way for that try either. -
@Mokey said in All Blacks vs Boks:
NMS is getting run down REALLY easily. Meh.
I reckon that's down to Skosan being faaarking quick
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@SidBarret said in All Blacks vs Boks:
Quick thoughts.
Congrats to the all blacks and their fans. Should be very happy tonight.
For the springboks, too many guys not up to this level. Coetzee, Rhule, Kriel, Hougaard, Du Toit (as a flanker) Nyukane (as a tight head) Bongi can all fuck off.
Re the Reffing - whatever that was, it was not rugby game you were calling. Fuck off
I really don't get you Saffa fans.
You complain about Kriel yet you have Serfontien plodding around your backline like a fairy elephant.You complain about Bongi when Marx spent the entire match handing the ball to the ABs.
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@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Boks:
Thought NMS was pretty good. Not sure why everyone is down on him for lacking pace. As far as i can remember outright pace has never been his strength. It is his stepping, skill and awareness. He showed those tonight. Slowing up to give BB the ball was a much better option than trying to make it and getting run down.
Of our recent 14s only Naholo is known for having real gas. Not sure Dagg or Smith would have made it all the way for that try either.yeah he's a good player. he was okay tonight, and has never been quick.
pace is undeniably an asset though. naholo and ioane would have scored that themselves, while dagg and smith would have had the pace to get clear enough to put barrett in with one pass without the fucking around - which could easily have gone wrong.those saffa outside backs are fast admittedly - they probably make the case that pace alone is not enough.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Boks:
Thought NMS was pretty good. Not sure why everyone is down on him for lacking pace. As far as i can remember outright pace has never been his strength. It is his stepping, skill and awareness. He showed those tonight. Slowing up to give BB the ball was a much better option than trying to make it and getting run down.
Of our recent 14s only Naholo is known for having real gas. Not sure Dagg or Smith would have made it all the way for that try either.yeah he's a good player. he was okay tonight, and has never been quick.
pace is undeniably an asset though. naholo and ioane would have scored that themselves, while dagg and smith would have had the pace to get clear enough to put barrett in with one pass without the fucking around - which could easily have gone wrong.those saffa outside backs are fast admittedly - they probably make the case that pace alone is not enough.
Isn't the issue there that BB didn't have the pace/wasn't in the right position to be put away with a single pass? How would NMS being faster put BB away? He would be further behind NMS and in the same position relative to the chasers.
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@Nepia Re Kriel - defensively poor, high error rate.
Serfontein is good enough, but not a star. Should have been star though.
Marx had a shocker at the line out, and deserves to be criticized, but has credit in the bank (line out tactics were poor as well). Bongi was bad everyawh6
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Few initial thoughts:
Excellent from ABs. Last 30 much better.
Lima's passing is much more 'sympathetic' than BB's, which allows outsides to run onto ball much better.
How come Lion's lineout combo so much worse than when they gave Saders problems?
Dreyer is a canny prop. AB starting scrum nullified. He did same to Moody in Super final. Think there is quite a lot of dark art involved. Once Read had Nige looking at it things settled down. And by the time Crockett on it was game over.
Can't believe how anonymous Bok loosies were. Kolesi was the quietest I can remember.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Boks:
Not a fan of Devlin, but this tweet is spot on:
Two years ago ABs defeated Boks by 2 points in a RWC Semi; same Boks team was beaten by Japan by same point diff in group stage; ABs prob will put 80 on Japan, but, sure, why not? Ya never know. That's why they play the games.
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@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Boks:
Thought NMS was pretty good. Not sure why everyone is down on him for lacking pace. As far as i can remember outright pace has never been his strength. It is his stepping, skill and awareness. He showed those tonight. Slowing up to give BB the ball was a much better option than trying to make it and getting run down.
Of our recent 14s only Naholo is known for having real gas. Not sure Dagg or Smith would have made it all the way for that try either.yeah he's a good player. he was okay tonight, and has never been quick.
pace is undeniably an asset though. naholo and ioane would have scored that themselves, while dagg and smith would have had the pace to get clear enough to put barrett in with one pass without the fucking around - which could easily have gone wrong.those saffa outside backs are fast admittedly - they probably make the case that pace alone is not enough.
Isn't the issue there that BB didn't have the pace/wasn't in the right position to be put away with a single pass? How would NMS being faster put BB away? He would be further behind NMS and in the same position relative to the chasers.
Nah, if Barrett made the intercept himself try time. If NMS was a bit quicker, then the pass can come later when barrett has more time to catch up / get into position / get clear of other chasers. It was the fact that several chasers were catching NMS that was the issue.
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That wasn't a test match, it was like playing a second tier nation. The Boks just gave away too much possession and missed their one on one tackles. The ABs D was very good and they appeared to have a limited attack.
The ABs were very good as a team and only Hames stood out for me as playing badly by giving away too many penalties and the dropped ball.
Some exceptionally good tries with finishing we were missing vs Lions.
I thought Cane was outstanding tonight, his relentless defence and his turnovers are truly impressive.
A Smith was again very good with his speed and vision. TJ again was good and seems to have reigned in his theatrics?
S Barrett is a very busy player and gave us another quality lineout option. I think he has probably cemented that bench spot. Perhaps Fifita and Barrett offer better bench cover than Savea.
Reiko is a special player who appears to just be a natural at this level. His combination of pace and strength is just incredible.
I also noticed our ruck defence appeared improved, the Boks appeared to try and run through the ruck a few times like Oz did with little success.
And finally I loved the speed and moves off the back of the lineout, that must be a nightmare to defend. Well played ABs.
I noticed one poster said Owens at a shocker? From my biased view I thought it was one of his best games, he was confident, explained every decision well and seemed to know what was going on at scrum time. The officiating at the ruck is always tricky, I can recall plenty of Boks doing their best impression of Superman flying over rucks off their feet.
