B&I Lions 2017
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@MN5 Genuine question. How many Scots do you think have been hard done by?
I honestly can't name too many.
W P Nel - dunno how his injury situation is though - cough, Warburton, cough.
Gray bros - Lock is a position of strength and I think they've suffered the backlash of the England match.
Russell - I would have taken him over Biggar and would have it a close call between him and Ford.Anyone else?
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@Catogrande said in B&I Lions 2017:
@MN5 Genuine question. How many Scots do you think have been hard done by?
I honestly can't name too many.
W P Nel - dunno how his injury situation is though - cough, Warburton, cough.
Gray bros - Lock is a position of strength and I think they've suffered the backlash of the England match.
Russell - I would have taken him over Biggar and would have it a close call between him and Ford.Anyone else?
Watson, Laidlaw and Dunbar were probably names mentioned. Even Visser.
I reckon 6-7 woulda been realistic. They beat both Ireland and Wales this year afterall.
All the butthurt fans are thrilled in one sense though cos it means the squad to Australia will be strong.
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@MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:
I wouldn't mind if someone could give me a logical answer as to why one country ranked 5th provides just two players and another ranked 8th provides twelve.
Now i know how Highlanders fans felt in 2015 when none of their forwards became ABs
Because Scotland haven't provided many players to the side over the last number of tours. That feeds into prejudice in selectors' minds. The coaching team is made up of Welsh and English coaches which creates an inevitable bias towards the players they know (and think can resurrect themselves) as opposed to ones they don't Gray Bros, Dunbar, Maitland, Watson, Jones, etc.
I'm curious if Laidlaw and Nel were available and were selected today, along with Hogg and Seymour and say Maitland and Dunbar, would that have been enough? Or was there a wider expectation of say 8-10 places?
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@Pot-Hale said in B&I Lions 2017:
@MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:
I wouldn't mind if someone could give me a logical answer as to why one country ranked 5th provides just two players and another ranked 8th provides twelve.
Now i know how Highlanders fans felt in 2015 when none of their forwards became ABs
Because Scotland haven't provided many players to the side over the last number of tours. That feeds into prejudice in selectors' minds. The coaching team is made up of Welsh and English coaches which creates an inevitable bias towards the players they know (and think can resurrect themselves) as opposed to ones they don't Gray Bros, Dunbar, Maitland, Watson, Jones, etc.
I'm curious if Laidlaw and Nel were available and were selected today, along with Hogg and Seymour and say Maitland and Dunbar, would that have been enough? Or was there a wider expectation of say 8-10 places?
I think that would more than suffice . 8-10 is fantasy stuff....
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@MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Pot-Hale said in B&I Lions 2017:
@MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:
I wouldn't mind if someone could give me a logical answer as to why one country ranked 5th provides just two players and another ranked 8th provides twelve.
Now i know how Highlanders fans felt in 2015 when none of their forwards became ABs
Because Scotland haven't provided many players to the side over the last number of tours. That feeds into prejudice in selectors' minds. The coaching team is made up of Welsh and English coaches which creates an inevitable bias towards the players they know (and think can resurrect themselves) as opposed to ones they don't Gray Bros, Dunbar, Maitland, Watson, Jones, etc.
I'm curious if Laidlaw and Nel were available and were selected today, along with Hogg and Seymour and say Maitland and Dunbar, would that have been enough? Or was there a wider expectation of say 8-10 places?
I think that would more than suffice . 8-10 is fantasy stuff....
Fair enough, so who gets dropped to make way from the selection today?
Laidlaw for Youngs/Webb?
Nel for Sinckler?
Dunbar for Davies?
Russell for Biggar?
Maitland ??
Gray for Henderson?
Watson for ?? -
@Pot-Hale said in B&I Lions 2017:
@MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:
@Pot-Hale said in B&I Lions 2017:
@MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:
I wouldn't mind if someone could give me a logical answer as to why one country ranked 5th provides just two players and another ranked 8th provides twelve.
Now i know how Highlanders fans felt in 2015 when none of their forwards became ABs
Because Scotland haven't provided many players to the side over the last number of tours. That feeds into prejudice in selectors' minds. The coaching team is made up of Welsh and English coaches which creates an inevitable bias towards the players they know (and think can resurrect themselves) as opposed to ones they don't Gray Bros, Dunbar, Maitland, Watson, Jones, etc.
I'm curious if Laidlaw and Nel were available and were selected today, along with Hogg and Seymour and say Maitland and Dunbar, would that have been enough? Or was there a wider expectation of say 8-10 places?
I think that would more than suffice . 8-10 is fantasy stuff....
Fair enough, so who gets dropped to make way from the selection today?
Laidlaw for Youngs/Webb?
Nel for Sinckler?
Dunbar for Davies?
Russell for Biggar?
Maitland ??
Gray for Henderson?
Watson for ??That looks completely realistic. Throw Sean Lamont in for a swansong too
There's obviously gonna be a heap of 50/50 calls and it's hard to see the Scots getting any benefit from those.
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@Bones said in B&I Lions 2017:
@MN5 not sure I can buy into a precious moan from someone who probably watched about 5 minutes of 6N rugby....
5 minutes is being generous, however if rugby writers can get paid for watching about the same amount I reserve my right to be outraged and appalled on an internet forum.
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in the interest of fairness and political correctness, each nation should have provided and equal number of players, and then given certificates to the ones that would have gone if not for being overlooked in the name of fairness.
I also thnk the Lions should play Payne in the game in Whangarei to make local fans happy, what say you @Stargazer
@MN5 which rugby writers get paid to watch 5 minutes?
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@Bovidae said in B&I Lions 2017:
@antipodean 2 Jocks.
@MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:
@antipodean said in B&I Lions 2017:
Predictable squad.
A mercenary and only one Scot.
Two
Well then, I don't know what they're complaining about.
@raznomore said in B&I Lions 2017:
Is Hartley hard done by or actually too shit for selection?
I'd say he's hard done by. I don't think they could select a better set piece hooker.
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@MN5 said in B&I Lions 2017:
I wouldn't mind if someone could give me a logical answer as to why one country ranked 5th provides just two players and another ranked 8th provides twelve.
Because rankings don't tell much at all -- a couple of wins and they've shot up.There is one person who has made Scotland much better -- Vern Cotter. The players haven't got that much better suddenly.
You should treasure Scotland's current ranking now, because in a few years it could be much worse. If I was ranking on long-term ability, Scotland would be 10th. Which is where they usually dwell, come to think of it.
Now i know how Highlanders fans felt in 2015 when none of their forwards became ABs
And how's that Highlander's pack looking now? How many of them would be current ABs?
The AB selectors didn't overlook the Highlanders in 2015 any more they overlooked the red-hot Chiefs after their first Super Championship. Slowly -- because the Chiefs kept winning -- players started to make the ABs. Some things need distance to be seen properly.
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Is Laidlaw injured? Surely he'd be one of the 3 best 9s?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in B&I Lions 2017:
Is Laidlaw injured? Surely he'd be one of the 3 best 9s?
He was injured during the 6N. No idea if he still is.
Murray looks to be uncertain due to nerve injury.
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You could probably make a case for Laidlaw as 3rd SH and a possible midweek captain, but he does not present a running threat, unlike the three guys chosen.
