Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged)

Billy Tell

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So starting by super rugby team
 
Crusaders 6
H/Landers 4
Cheifs 3
Blues Canes 1 each
 
You would think the Canes were the worst team based of these numbers. And the Crusaders easily the best
 
(I wonder where the head coach hails from)
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He hails from NZ.

taniwharugby

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So starting by super rugby team
 
Crusaders 6
H/Landers 4
Cheifs 3
Blues Canes 1 each
 
You would think the Canes were the worst team based of these numbers. And the Crusaders easily the best
 
(I wonder where the head coach hails from)
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am sure I have heard this story before....
 
I wonder if we should change the team every year based on the Super rugby results, those rookies Dagg, Whitelock, Read, Franks and Crockett all there because of the coaches bias towards the Crusaders and should be dropped for their Hurricane opposites.

SammyC

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Hey, I saw the team early. It's only Wednesday evening!
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Can't beleive Ardie Savea didn't get the gig at 7.................................................
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The silverfern, where jokes never get old apparently :idiot2:

No Quarter

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The silverfern, where jokes never get old apparently :idiot2:
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There are a lot of Dads on this forum...
 
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So starting by super rugby team
 
Crusaders 6
H/Landers 4
Cheifs 3
Blues Canes 1 each
 
You would think the Canes were the worst team based of these numbers. And the Crusaders easily the best
 
(I wonder where the head coach hails from)
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Other then Ardie who IMO is the only one pushing for a start, what other Canes players do you think missed out unfairly?
 
Super Rugby is nothing like test footy, the ABs outrageous success in the past 13 years has been based on selecting guys that are proven performers at test level, not chucking a bunch of rookies who played well in Super rugby into the team in the hope they'll step up.

Dan54

Yep the only Hurricane missing is Coles and I bet that because of injury.

Username

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So starting by super rugby team
 
Crusaders 6
H/Landers 4
Cheifs 3
Blues Canes 1 each
 
You would think the Canes were the worst team based of these numbers. And the Crusaders easily the best
 
(I wonder where the head coach hails from)
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<strike>Dagg</strike> > Marshall
<strike>Crotty</strike> > Halaholo
<strike>Read</strike> > Vito
<strike>Whitelock</strike> > Fatialofa
<strike>Franks</strike> > May
<strike>Crocket</strike> > Uhila
 
Uh-huh.

ACT Crusader

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So starting by super rugby team 
Crusaders 6 
H/Landers 4 
Cheifs 3 
Blues Canes 1 each 
You would think the Canes were the worst team based of these numbers. And the Crusaders easily the best 
(I wonder where the head coach hails from)</blockquote>
It's a travesty that there is only 6. I had 9 in my starting XV

Cpt Kumera

stoaked for kane hames, rewarded for for the hard work

No Quarter

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<strike>Dagg</strike> > Marshall
<strike>Crotty</strike> > Halaholo
<strike>Read</strike> > Vito
<strike>Whitelock</strike> > Fatialofa
<strike>Franks</strike> > May
<strike>Crocket</strike> > Uhila
 
Uh-huh.
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Hahahaha love your work. That would be the weakest team we've put out in well over a decade.

Winger

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It's a travesty that there is only 6. I had 9 in my starting XV
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If it was Wylie still coaching it would be. Or more. He was a joke (as was Hart)
 
All I'm pointing out is it does seem a little strange that the Crusaders have so many. including the very average Crotty and Dagg. whereas the top team can only mange 1. I'm sure if the opposite happened to the winning Crusaders with a Canes head coach you would wonder a bit. Maybe the head coach is selecting based on provincial loyalties

Winger

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There are a lot of Dads on this forum...
 
Other then Ardie who IMO is the only one pushing for a start, what other Canes players do you think missed out unfairly?
 
Super Rugby is nothing like test footy, the ABs outrageous success in the past 13 years has been based on selecting guys that are proven performers at test level, not chucking a bunch of rookies who played well in Super rugby into the team in the hope they'll step up.
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 The success has been based on having outstanding players to select from. NZ B could beat Aust at present.

taniwharugby

so are you actually suggesting that Marshall and Halaholo should be starting over Dagg & Crotty, cos that's the tone of your post, that the canes should be better represented and those 2 names you have pulled out!

Rembrandt

Stoked with the team, excited to see Barrett back and TJP rewarded for an excellent end of season. I have faith Crotty and Fekitoa will gel and I'm still hoping for that one break-out game from Naholo when errors are replaced with amazing tries. I'm supposed to be going to a concert saturday night but now that Barrett is starting I reckon I'll duck out and find pub for a couple hours rather than watch it delayed.

Chris B.

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If it was Wylie still coaching it would be. Or more. He was a joke (as was Hart)
 
All I'm pointing out is it does seem a little strange that the Crusaders have so many. including the very average Crotty and Dagg. whereas the top team can only mange 1. I'm sure if the opposite happened to the winning Crusaders with a Canes head coach you would wonder a bit. Maybe the head coach is selecting based on provincial loyalties
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On Grizz - he had a nearly 90% winning record with the ABs - a better winning percentage than Sir Graham Henry.
 
He revolutionized rugby conditioning in New Zealand, by bringing Jim Blair into the Canterbury set-up - Blair and Grizz developed the grid passing drill that is still used today. Together they helped Canterbury to a record equaling Ranfurly Shield tenure. Hart stole Blair to help create the greate Auckland team of the 80s.
 
Hart and Grizz were Lochore's assistants in 1987 RWC.
 
People who played their first class rugby in Grizz's Canterbury squads and later became successful coaches themselves - Steve Hansen, Wayne Smith, Robbie Deans, Kieran Keane. 
 
There is an enormous diaspora of Canterbury coaches throughout the world who trace directly back to Wyllie.

No Quarter

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If it was Wylie still coaching it would be. Or more. He was a joke (as was Hart)
 
All I'm pointing out is it does seem a little strange that the Crusaders have so many. including the very average Crotty and Dagg. whereas the top team can only mange 1. I'm sure if the opposite happened to the winning Crusaders with a Canes head coach you would wonder a bit. Maybe the head coach is selecting based on provincial loyalties
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When you actually put more then 5 seconds thought into it as Username did, you come up with:
 
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<strike>Dagg</strike> > Marshall
<strike>Crotty</strike> > Halaholo
<strike>Read</strike> > Vito
<strike>Whitelock</strike> > Fatialofa
<strike>Franks</strike> > May
<strike>Crocket</strike> > Uhila
 
Uh-huh.
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You are taking the piss if you think any of those Canes players should be starting for the ABs.

KiwiMurph

Yes the Hurricanes should also be the most represented NZ Super Rugby team on the All Black bench...oh wait..

Canerbry

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If it was Wylie still coaching it would be. Or more. He was a joke (as was Hart)
 
All I'm pointing out is it does seem a little strange that the Crusaders have so many. including the very average Crotty and Dagg. whereas the top team can only mange 1. I'm sure if the opposite happened to the winning Crusaders with a Canes head coach you would wonder a bit. Maybe the head coach is selecting based on provincial loyalties
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WOOOO that's some shitposting.
 
TIL Crotty and Dagg are "very average" and Whinger hasn't watched any rugby this year.

ACT Crusader

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If it was Wylie still coaching it would be. Or more. He was a joke (as was Hart)
 
All I'm pointing out is it does seem a little strange that the Crusaders have so many. including the very average Crotty and Dagg. whereas the top team can only mange 1. I'm sure if the opposite happened to the winning Crusaders with a Canes head coach you would wonder a bit. Maybe the head coach is selecting based on provincial loyalties
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I wouldn't wonder at all to be honest. To me it doesn't matter what province or franchise they play for, or what their hairstyle is and if they like hip hop music. That's because I don't have intricate knowledge of the AB gameplan what specifics they are looking for in a player in each position to complement the other team members. 
 
I don't mind the discussion, but at least put up some alternatives that might back up where this bias might lie. Crotty average, okay, there are two Chiefs in the squad that are the alternatives. Dagg average, okay, but the only alternative is a Canes player who has been below average.

ACT Crusader

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Yes the Hurricanes should also be the most represented NZ Super Rugby team on the All Black bench...oh wait..
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On a serious note, the bench is spot on for this test IMO. I think Paddy T will be saved for the Boks. I like Squire's versatility and plus the coaches will want to see if he can step it up a notch.
 
I thought TJP turned a corner in those finals matches. Played with great temperament, which has been a criticism. If he can continue that then he could see a little bit more playing time and that could help Aaron Smith a bit.
 
Cruden is too classy a player to leave out of a 23 when he's fit.
 
I would have Savea over the other two rookies going into the first test of a 4 Nations. 
 
Hames, injury forced. Congratulations to him
 
Taylor, injury forced, but he's been in the set up a bit now and hasn't put a step wrong IMO.

Nepia

Interesting team, even though that midfield was the one that was likely to be top one at the start of the season it looks a bit weak.
 
Good to see Hames in the side, especially as we were all wondering where he was when the Super teams were named.
 
I'm finding it interesting that Cruden's impact off the bench is being questioned when we don't actually know what it would be like as he's barely done it before.
 
Squire has obviously been impressing the powers that be in camp.
 
Surprised that Harris seems to have jumped Taylor - a few starring roles on the wing for the Chiefs seems to have advanced his cause.
 
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2003 Mauger maybe not, 2007 Mauger & I think we win.
 
Hell, 2007 Weepu would have at least tried a droppie from one of the 300 ruicks we had on the line.
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In 2007 with Mauger we may not have been close as it was the guy playing in his position was pretty key to our tries.
It's all speculation anyway, Mauger may have been happy to go with McCaw's plan to go for a penalty/try, it's not like there weren't other fairly senior backs on the field at the time who didn't tell them to set for a droppie.

The Silver Fern

Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged)