Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged)
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<p>Congratulations to Kane Hames who is one of those guys who impressed every time he plays. The first cap of many from him, I suspect. </p>
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<p>Decent looking starting line up and lots of potential impact of the bench, especially the Savea boys. Only risk would be if we lose a lock or a midfield player in the first half hour.</p> -
<p>So starting by super rugby team</p>
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<p>Crusaders 6</p>
<p>H/Landers 4</p>
<p>Cheifs 3</p>
<p>Blues Canes 1 each</p>
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<p>You would think the Canes were the worst team based of these numbers. And the Crusaders easily the best</p>
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<p>(I wonder where the head coach hails from)</p> -
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<p>So starting by super rugby team</p>
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<p>Crusaders 6</p>
<p>H/Landers 4</p>
<p>Cheifs 3</p>
<p>Blues Canes 1 each</p>
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<p>You would think the Canes were the worst team based of these numbers. And the Crusaders easily the best</p>
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<p>(I wonder where the head coach hails from)</p>
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<p>He hails from NZ.</p> -
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<p>So starting by super rugby team</p>
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<p>Crusaders 6</p>
<p>H/Landers 4</p>
<p>Cheifs 3</p>
<p>Blues Canes 1 each</p>
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<p>You would think the Canes were the worst team based of these numbers. And the Crusaders easily the best</p>
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<p>(I wonder where the head coach hails from)</p>
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<p>am sure I have heard this story before....</p>
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<p>I wonder if we should change the team every year based on the Super rugby results, those rookies Dagg, Whitelock, Read, Franks and Crockett all there because of the coaches bias towards the Crusaders and should be dropped for their Hurricane opposites.</p> -
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<p>Hey, I saw the team early. It's only Wednesday evening!</p>
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<p>Can't beleive Ardie Savea didn't get the gig at 7.................................................</p>
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<p>The silverfern, where jokes never get old apparently :idiot2:</p> -
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<p>The silverfern, where jokes never get old apparently :idiot2:</p>
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<p>There are a lot of Dads on this forum...</p>
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<p>So starting by super rugby team</p>
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<p>Crusaders 6</p>
<p>H/Landers 4</p>
<p>Cheifs 3</p>
<p>Blues Canes 1 each</p>
<p> </p>
<p>You would think the Canes were the worst team based of these numbers. And the Crusaders easily the best</p>
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<p>(I wonder where the head coach hails from)</p>
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<p>Other then Ardie who IMO is the only one pushing for a start, what other Canes players do you think missed out unfairly?</p>
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<p>Super Rugby is nothing like test footy, the ABs outrageous success in the past 13 years has been based on selecting guys that are proven performers at test level, not chucking a bunch of rookies who played well in Super rugby into the team in the hope they'll step up.</p> -
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<p>So starting by super rugby team</p>
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<p>Crusaders 6</p>
<p>H/Landers 4</p>
<p>Cheifs 3</p>
<p>Blues Canes 1 each</p>
<p> </p>
<p>You would think the Canes were the worst team based of these numbers. And the Crusaders easily the best</p>
<p> </p>
<p>(I wonder where the head coach hails from)</p>
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<p><strike>Dagg</strike> > Marshall</p>
<p><strike>Crotty</strike> > Halaholo</p>
<p><strike>Read</strike> > Vito</p>
<p><strike>Whitelock</strike> > Fatialofa</p>
<p><strike>Franks</strike> > May</p>
<p><strike>Crocket</strike> > Uhila</p>
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<p>Uh-huh.</p> -
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So starting by super rugby team<br><br>
Crusaders 6<br>
H/Landers 4<br>
Cheifs 3<br>
Blues Canes 1 each<br><br>
You would think the Canes were the worst team based of these numbers. And the Crusaders easily the best<br><br>
(I wonder where the head coach hails from)</p></blockquote>
It's a travesty that there is only 6. I had 9 in my starting XV -
<p>stoaked for kane hames, rewarded for for the hard work</p>
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<p><strike>Dagg</strike> > Marshall</p>
<p><strike>Crotty</strike> > Halaholo</p>
<p><strike>Read</strike> > Vito</p>
<p><strike>Whitelock</strike> > Fatialofa</p>
<p><strike>Franks</strike> > May</p>
<p><strike>Crocket</strike> > Uhila</p>
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<p>Uh-huh.</p>
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<p>Hahahaha love your work. That would be the weakest team we've put out in well over a decade.</p> -
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<p>It's a travesty that there is only 6. I had 9 in my starting XV</p>
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<p>If it was Wylie still coaching it would be. Or more. He was a joke (as was Hart)</p>
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<p>All I'm pointing out is it does seem a little strange that the Crusaders have so many. including the very average Crotty and Dagg. whereas the top team can only mange 1. I'm sure if the opposite happened to the winning Crusaders with a Canes head coach you would wonder a bit. Maybe the head coach is selecting based on provincial loyalties</p> -
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<p>There are a lot of Dads on this forum...</p>
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<p>Other then Ardie who IMO is the only one pushing for a start, what other Canes players do you think missed out unfairly?</p>
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<p>Super Rugby is nothing like test footy, the ABs outrageous success in the past 13 years has been based on selecting guys that are proven performers at test level, not chucking a bunch of rookies who played well in Super rugby into the team in the hope they'll step up.</p>
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<p> The success has been based on having outstanding players to select from. NZ B could beat Aust at present.</p> -
<p>so are you actually suggesting that Marshall and Halaholo should be starting over Dagg & Crotty, cos that's the tone of your post, that the canes should be better represented and those 2 names you have pulled out!</p>
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Stoked with the team, excited to see Barrett back and TJP rewarded for an excellent end of season. I have faith Crotty and Fekitoa will gel and I'm still hoping for that one break-out game from Naholo when errors are replaced with amazing tries. I'm supposed to be going to a concert saturday night but now that Barrett is starting I reckon I'll duck out and find pub for a couple hours rather than watch it delayed.
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<p>If it was Wylie still coaching it would be. Or more. He was a joke (as was Hart)</p>
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<p>All I'm pointing out is it does seem a little strange that the Crusaders have so many. including the very average Crotty and Dagg. whereas the top team can only mange 1. I'm sure if the opposite happened to the winning Crusaders with a Canes head coach you would wonder a bit. Maybe the head coach is selecting based on provincial loyalties</p>
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<p>On Grizz - he had a nearly 90% winning record with the ABs - a better winning percentage than Sir Graham Henry.</p>
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<p>He revolutionized rugby conditioning in New Zealand, by bringing Jim Blair into the Canterbury set-up - Blair and Grizz developed the grid passing drill that is still used today. Together they helped Canterbury to a record equaling Ranfurly Shield tenure. Hart stole Blair to help create the greate Auckland team of the 80s.</p>
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<p>Hart and Grizz were Lochore's assistants in 1987 RWC.</p>
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<p>People who played their first class rugby in Grizz's Canterbury squads and later became successful coaches themselves - Steve Hansen, Wayne Smith, Robbie Deans, Kieran Keane. </p>
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<p>There is an enormous diaspora of Canterbury coaches throughout the world who trace directly back to Wyllie.</p> -
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<p>If it was Wylie still coaching it would be. Or more. He was a joke (as was Hart)</p>
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<p>All I'm pointing out is it does seem a little strange that the Crusaders have so many. including the very average Crotty and Dagg. whereas the top team can only mange 1. I'm sure if the opposite happened to the winning Crusaders with a Canes head coach you would wonder a bit. Maybe the head coach is selecting based on provincial loyalties</p>
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<p>When you actually put more then 5 seconds thought into it as Username did, you come up with:</p>
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<p><strike>Dagg</strike> > Marshall</p>
<p><strike>Crotty</strike> > Halaholo</p>
<p><strike>Read</strike> > Vito</p>
<p><strike>Whitelock</strike> > Fatialofa</p>
<p><strike>Franks</strike> > May</p>
<p><strike>Crocket</strike> > Uhila</p>
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<p>Uh-huh.</p>
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<p>You are taking the piss if you think any of those Canes players should be starting for the ABs.</p> -
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<p>If it was Wylie still coaching it would be. Or more. He was a joke (as was Hart)</p>
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<p>All I'm pointing out is it does seem a little strange that the Crusaders have so many. including the very average Crotty and Dagg. whereas the top team can only mange 1. I'm sure if the opposite happened to the winning Crusaders with a Canes head coach you would wonder a bit. Maybe the head coach is selecting based on provincial loyalties</p>
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<p>WOOOO that's some shitposting.</p>
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<p>TIL Crotty and Dagg are "very average" and Whinger hasn't watched any rugby this year.</p> -
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<p>If it was Wylie still coaching it would be. Or more. He was a joke (as was Hart)</p>
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<p>All I'm pointing out is it does seem a little strange that the Crusaders have so many. including the very average Crotty and Dagg. whereas the top team can only mange 1. I'm sure if the opposite happened to the winning Crusaders with a Canes head coach you would wonder a bit. Maybe the head coach is selecting based on provincial loyalties</p>
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<p>I wouldn't wonder at all to be honest. To me it doesn't matter what province or franchise they play for, or what their hairstyle is and if they like hip hop music. That's because I don't have intricate knowledge of the AB gameplan what specifics they are looking for in a player in each position to complement the other team members. </p>
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<p>I don't mind the discussion, but at least put up some alternatives that might back up where this bias might lie. Crotty average, okay, there are two Chiefs in the squad that are the alternatives. Dagg average, okay, but the only alternative is a Canes player who has been below average. </p>
