Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged)

Cpt Kumera

stoaked for kane hames, rewarded for for the hard work

No Quarter

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<strike>Dagg</strike> > Marshall
<strike>Crotty</strike> > Halaholo
<strike>Read</strike> > Vito
<strike>Whitelock</strike> > Fatialofa
<strike>Franks</strike> > May
<strike>Crocket</strike> > Uhila
 
Uh-huh.
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Hahahaha love your work. That would be the weakest team we've put out in well over a decade.

Winger

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It's a travesty that there is only 6. I had 9 in my starting XV
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If it was Wylie still coaching it would be. Or more. He was a joke (as was Hart)
 
All I'm pointing out is it does seem a little strange that the Crusaders have so many. including the very average Crotty and Dagg. whereas the top team can only mange 1. I'm sure if the opposite happened to the winning Crusaders with a Canes head coach you would wonder a bit. Maybe the head coach is selecting based on provincial loyalties

Winger

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There are a lot of Dads on this forum...
 
Other then Ardie who IMO is the only one pushing for a start, what other Canes players do you think missed out unfairly?
 
Super Rugby is nothing like test footy, the ABs outrageous success in the past 13 years has been based on selecting guys that are proven performers at test level, not chucking a bunch of rookies who played well in Super rugby into the team in the hope they'll step up.
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 The success has been based on having outstanding players to select from. NZ B could beat Aust at present.

taniwharugby

so are you actually suggesting that Marshall and Halaholo should be starting over Dagg & Crotty, cos that's the tone of your post, that the canes should be better represented and those 2 names you have pulled out!

Rembrandt

Stoked with the team, excited to see Barrett back and TJP rewarded for an excellent end of season. I have faith Crotty and Fekitoa will gel and I'm still hoping for that one break-out game from Naholo when errors are replaced with amazing tries. I'm supposed to be going to a concert saturday night but now that Barrett is starting I reckon I'll duck out and find pub for a couple hours rather than watch it delayed.

Chris B.

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If it was Wylie still coaching it would be. Or more. He was a joke (as was Hart)
 
All I'm pointing out is it does seem a little strange that the Crusaders have so many. including the very average Crotty and Dagg. whereas the top team can only mange 1. I'm sure if the opposite happened to the winning Crusaders with a Canes head coach you would wonder a bit. Maybe the head coach is selecting based on provincial loyalties
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On Grizz - he had a nearly 90% winning record with the ABs - a better winning percentage than Sir Graham Henry.
 
He revolutionized rugby conditioning in New Zealand, by bringing Jim Blair into the Canterbury set-up - Blair and Grizz developed the grid passing drill that is still used today. Together they helped Canterbury to a record equaling Ranfurly Shield tenure. Hart stole Blair to help create the greate Auckland team of the 80s.
 
Hart and Grizz were Lochore's assistants in 1987 RWC.
 
People who played their first class rugby in Grizz's Canterbury squads and later became successful coaches themselves - Steve Hansen, Wayne Smith, Robbie Deans, Kieran Keane. 
 
There is an enormous diaspora of Canterbury coaches throughout the world who trace directly back to Wyllie.

No Quarter

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If it was Wylie still coaching it would be. Or more. He was a joke (as was Hart)
 
All I'm pointing out is it does seem a little strange that the Crusaders have so many. including the very average Crotty and Dagg. whereas the top team can only mange 1. I'm sure if the opposite happened to the winning Crusaders with a Canes head coach you would wonder a bit. Maybe the head coach is selecting based on provincial loyalties
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When you actually put more then 5 seconds thought into it as Username did, you come up with:
 
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<strike>Dagg</strike> > Marshall
<strike>Crotty</strike> > Halaholo
<strike>Read</strike> > Vito
<strike>Whitelock</strike> > Fatialofa
<strike>Franks</strike> > May
<strike>Crocket</strike> > Uhila
 
Uh-huh.
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You are taking the piss if you think any of those Canes players should be starting for the ABs.

KiwiMurph

Yes the Hurricanes should also be the most represented NZ Super Rugby team on the All Black bench...oh wait..

Canerbry

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If it was Wylie still coaching it would be. Or more. He was a joke (as was Hart)
 
All I'm pointing out is it does seem a little strange that the Crusaders have so many. including the very average Crotty and Dagg. whereas the top team can only mange 1. I'm sure if the opposite happened to the winning Crusaders with a Canes head coach you would wonder a bit. Maybe the head coach is selecting based on provincial loyalties
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WOOOO that's some shitposting.
 
TIL Crotty and Dagg are "very average" and Whinger hasn't watched any rugby this year.

ACT Crusader

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If it was Wylie still coaching it would be. Or more. He was a joke (as was Hart)
 
All I'm pointing out is it does seem a little strange that the Crusaders have so many. including the very average Crotty and Dagg. whereas the top team can only mange 1. I'm sure if the opposite happened to the winning Crusaders with a Canes head coach you would wonder a bit. Maybe the head coach is selecting based on provincial loyalties
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I wouldn't wonder at all to be honest. To me it doesn't matter what province or franchise they play for, or what their hairstyle is and if they like hip hop music. That's because I don't have intricate knowledge of the AB gameplan what specifics they are looking for in a player in each position to complement the other team members. 
 
I don't mind the discussion, but at least put up some alternatives that might back up where this bias might lie. Crotty average, okay, there are two Chiefs in the squad that are the alternatives. Dagg average, okay, but the only alternative is a Canes player who has been below average.

ACT Crusader

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Yes the Hurricanes should also be the most represented NZ Super Rugby team on the All Black bench...oh wait..
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On a serious note, the bench is spot on for this test IMO. I think Paddy T will be saved for the Boks. I like Squire's versatility and plus the coaches will want to see if he can step it up a notch.
 
I thought TJP turned a corner in those finals matches. Played with great temperament, which has been a criticism. If he can continue that then he could see a little bit more playing time and that could help Aaron Smith a bit.
 
Cruden is too classy a player to leave out of a 23 when he's fit.
 
I would have Savea over the other two rookies going into the first test of a 4 Nations. 
 
Hames, injury forced. Congratulations to him
 
Taylor, injury forced, but he's been in the set up a bit now and hasn't put a step wrong IMO.

Nepia

Interesting team, even though that midfield was the one that was likely to be top one at the start of the season it looks a bit weak.
 
Good to see Hames in the side, especially as we were all wondering where he was when the Super teams were named.
 
I'm finding it interesting that Cruden's impact off the bench is being questioned when we don't actually know what it would be like as he's barely done it before.
 
Squire has obviously been impressing the powers that be in camp.
 
Surprised that Harris seems to have jumped Taylor - a few starring roles on the wing for the Chiefs seems to have advanced his cause.
 
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2003 Mauger maybe not, 2007 Mauger & I think we win.
 
Hell, 2007 Weepu would have at least tried a droppie from one of the 300 ruicks we had on the line.
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In 2007 with Mauger we may not have been close as it was the guy playing in his position was pretty key to our tries.
It's all speculation anyway, Mauger may have been happy to go with McCaw's plan to go for a penalty/try, it's not like there weren't other fairly senior backs on the field at the time who didn't tell them to set for a droppie.

rotated

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All I'm pointing out is it does seem a little strange that the Crusaders have so many. including the very average Crotty and Dagg. whereas the top team can only mange 1. I'm sure if the opposite happened to the winning Crusaders with a Canes head coach you would wonder a bit. Maybe the head coach is selecting based on provincial loyalties
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Really there are 2-3 Canes starters as Coles would be starting if fit and ready as would NMS. The Canes are not helped by the fact that Jane, Vito, Halohalo & Marshall won't be selected as they are off, plus are Fifita and Bear even eligible?
 
I'd love to know which Canes players were overlooked? If anything J.Savea was bloody lucky to make it given he can't even start at Super level and warranted a forgettable 10 minute stint after the game was all but gone.
 
Hansen must have incapacitated Fox and Foster in the selection room and faxed the team through himself I guess.

mariner4life

Fuck, are we STILL having a discussion over 2007? Really? Have any of you fluffybunnies who reckon Mauger would have won us the game ever fucking watched it? Jesus, that's stupider than Wingers dribble. 
 
 
Well, that's a team, isn't it? Lots of big names, and then you look at some areas, and it looks like NZ A. Of all the outs, we'll miss Coles the most, his work on attack, and most importantly his very accurate lineout throwing. 
 
The bench is a massive surprise. No lock (good, Romano is shit), a newbie prop, an out of form winger, an out-and-out 10. 
 
 
I still think we'll win ( i always think that) but i look forward to this place if we lose, heaps of stuff to throw stones at

mimic

Interesting to see ppl talking about Cruden not being an ideal impact player from the bench..
He's been riding the pine behind Carter for ages.. No1 said anything about him adding impact from the bench then.. 
 
I don't think the amount of Cantab ABs mean anything about Hansen's bias.. I think it just goes to show how bad a coach Blackadder was.. He couldn't win even if he had Carter and McCaw :whistle:

Chris B.

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Fuck, are we STILL having a discussion over 2007? Really? Have any of you fluffybunnys who reckon Mauger would have won us the game ever fucking watched it? Jesus, that's stupider than Wingers dribble. 
 
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If you were Dr. Who, any changes you could go back and make to that 2007 team for the final couldn't make things much worse. We could only lose by more. You could pick me at first five instead of Dan Carter - it couldn't get much worse.
 
Actually, that's not a bad plan. I'd get completely creamed in the first tackle and then they'd replace me with Nick Evans and this time he mightn't get injured in the first 30 seconds.
 
I should be a timelord - and an AB first five!

Unco

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So starting by super rugby team
 
Crusaders 6
H/Landers 4
Cheifs 3
Blues Canes 1 each
 
You would think the Canes were the worst team based of these numbers. And the Crusaders easily the best
 
(I wonder where the head coach hails from)
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Based on your meltdown last year when Sopoaga was left out (you know, when you said that even if the ABs won the RWC with DC at 10, it'd just be luck), I'll take this post as a good sign.
 
A couple of little surprises in the 23 but most of it was predictable. Very happy for Hames and to see that Cane has recovered from the Stormers and Canes thuggery. Interested to see how Barrett goes at international level coming off a good season, hopefully he can keep up his form. Still not convinced Fekitoa is the right option at centre or that TJP won't shit the bed coming off the bench but I can always hope.
 
Only thing that confuses me is the three props and only two backs on the bench. Seems like overkill.

KiwiMurph

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Only thing that confuses me is the three props and only two backs on the bench. Seems like overkill.
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Cheeky
 
The question marks on the bench really do seem to revolve around the backs - can TJP take his recent form to the AB bench, can Cruden provide an impact, can Savea at least show some signs of heading in the right direction.

ACT Crusader

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Of all the outs, we'll miss Coles the most, his work on attack, and most importantly his very accurate lineout throwing. 
 
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Coles is the best white running back we've had since JK :)
 
Coles has shown that he has this ability to turn nothing into something with his running game and offloading ability. Plus he's a workhorse around the track in defence. Easily In our top 5 players over the last couple of seasons.

The Silver Fern

Bledisloe I (All Blacks team room bugged)