All Blacks 2024
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024:
So he obviously wants Richie Mounga, Frizzell, LF etc before they officially return.
The dumb fuck doesn't need most of those guys. Wallace has already performed to a higher level in black than Frizell ever had. And given the chance Lakai will do too
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@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
I can’t believe how well Mitchell did for all the scorn he got as a coach
I didn't mind him. Again, at least he made big decisions (right or wrong). Some benefitted the team going forward too. We played some great rugby under him in 2003.
People focused on the negative side of his reign, but there were a lot of positives too.
Well yeah, he dropped one of my favourite ever players too and in hindsight it was the right decision.
Demonised for doing what we all want Razor to do. It’s a tough gig being an AB coach
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
Well yeah, he dropped one of my favourite ever players too and in hindsight it was the right decision.
If you mean Cullen I'll fight you
Not if I get there first
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
Well yeah, he dropped one of my favourite ever players too and in hindsight it was the right decision.
If you mean Cullen I'll fight you
Yes I do….
Cullen had lost that edge by 2003. Just not QUITE as explosive and quick and able to get out of trouble like he could in the past. SO many NZ outside backs go through that at a relatively young age.
Whether Cullen at 70-80% was better than MacDonald or Ben Atiga is up for debate.
But Mitchell got rid of what he considered a player not quite up to it.
…..and again, this was one of my favourite players ever.
…..and everyone nowadays has a go at Razor for not dropping Barrett.
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Cullen was diminished. But he was still one of the top couple of 15s in SR that year. It wasn't just the dropping. He went out of his way to try and humiliate him. Need I remind you how he sat in front of a press conference and blagged on about how CC didn't hold the ball right.
BB at 10 is a busted flush.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
Cullen was diminished. But he was still one of the top couple of 15s in SR that year. It wasn't just the dropping. He went out of his way to try and humiliate him. Need I remind you how he sat in front of a press conference and blagged on about how CC didn't hold the ball right
I might have missed all the little details……and yes he might have been a dick about it…..
But would people have been so fair if Cullen had stayed on and been as maligned as BB has been ?
The point I’m making is that Mitchell did what everyone is whinging that Razor hasn’t done.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
Cullen was diminished. But he was still one of the top couple of 15s in SR that year. It wasn't just the dropping. He went out of his way to try and humiliate him. Need I remind you how he sat in front of a press conference and blagged on about how CC didn't hold the ball right
I might have missed all the little details……and yes he might have been a dick about it…..
But would people have been so fair if Cullen had stayed on and been as maligned as BB has been ?
The point I’m making is that Mitchell did what everyone is whinging that Razor hasn’t done.
And you're missing the point that BB is far from as effective as Cullen was when he was dropped.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
Cullen was diminished. But he was still one of the top couple of 15s in SR that year. It wasn't just the dropping. He went out of his way to try and humiliate him. Need I remind you how he sat in front of a press conference and blagged on about how CC didn't hold the ball right
I might have missed all the little details……and yes he might have been a dick about it…..
But would people have been so fair if Cullen had stayed on and been as maligned as BB has been ?
The point I’m making is that Mitchell did what everyone is whinging that Razor hasn’t done.
And you're missing the point that BB is far from as effective as Cullen was when he was dropped.
Well in 2024 yeah, maybe not so much a few years back.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
Cullen was diminished. But he was still one of the top couple of 15s in SR that year. It wasn't just the dropping. He went out of his way to try and humiliate him. Need I remind you how he sat in front of a press conference and blagged on about how CC didn't hold the ball right
I might have missed all the little details……and yes he might have been a dick about it…..
But would people have been so fair if Cullen had stayed on and been as maligned as BB has been ?
The point I’m making is that Mitchell did what everyone is whinging that Razor hasn’t done.
You are also missing the point that BB as a sub? I don't think too many would argue. Cullen was still second best at least and he didn't even make the squad
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Forwards were generally pretty bloody good this season. Backs were middling and awful against Italy. Forwards A- backs C
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
Cullen was diminished. But he was still one of the top couple of 15s in SR that year. It wasn't just the dropping. He went out of his way to try and humiliate him. Need I remind you how he sat in front of a press conference and blagged on about how CC didn't hold the ball right
I might have missed all the little details……and yes he might have been a dick about it…..
But would people have been so fair if Cullen had stayed on and been as maligned as BB has been ?
The point I’m making is that Mitchell did what everyone is whinging that Razor hasn’t done.
You are also missing the point that BB as a sub? I don't think too many would argue. Cullen was still second best at least and he didn't even make the squad
….and the next AB first fives are Stephen Perofeta and Harry Plummer.
All I’m trying to say is the perhaps the Cullen dropping wasn’t the massive bombshell people think.
Do I need to mention again he was an absolute legend and one of my favourite players ever ?
Anton Oliver, Andrew Mehrtens and Taine Randell got dropped too, two of them fought their way back in…..
In hindsight I guess it is Mitch’s slightly odd public persona that didn’t do him too many favours whereas Razor can do no wrong with his cool surfing demeanour.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024:
So he obviously wants Richie Mounga, Frizzell, LF etc before they officially return.
Bollocks. Razor obviously got wind that many on the Fern are not happy with him, so he is paving the way to select Akira, Sotutu and Plummer.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024:
So he obviously wants Richie Mounga, Frizzell, LF etc before they officially return.
Bollocks. Razor obviously got wind that many on the Fern are not happy with him, so he is paving the way to select Akira, Sotutu and Plummer.
Typical, not selecting ENS who is made for test rugby.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
I can’t believe how well Mitchell did for all the scorn he got as a coach
I didn't mind him. Again, at least he made big decisions (right or wrong). Some benefitted the team going forward too. We played some great rugby under him in 2003.
People focused on the negative side of his reign, but there were a lot of positives too.
Well yeah, he dropped one of my favourite ever players too and in hindsight it was the right decision.
Demonised for doing what we all want Razor to do. It’s a tough gig being an AB coach
Your hindsight needs to go into the shop for repairs.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
I can’t believe how well Mitchell did for all the scorn he got as a coach
I didn't mind him. Again, at least he made big decisions (right or wrong). Some benefitted the team going forward too. We played some great rugby under him in 2003.
People focused on the negative side of his reign, but there were a lot of positives too.
Well yeah, he dropped one of my favourite ever players too and in hindsight it was the right decision.
Demonised for doing what we all want Razor to do. It’s a tough gig being an AB coach
Your hindsight needs to go into the shop for repairs.
My hindsight also mentioned Mitchells odd public persona so hopefully it’s not completely rooted
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
I can’t believe how well Mitchell did for all the scorn he got as a coach
I didn't mind him. Again, at least he made big decisions (right or wrong). Some benefitted the team going forward too. We played some great rugby under him in 2003.
People focused on the negative side of his reign, but there were a lot of positives too.
Well yeah, he dropped one of my favourite ever players too and in hindsight it was the right decision.
Demonised for doing what we all want Razor to do. It’s a tough gig being an AB coach
Your hindsight needs to go into the shop for repairs.
My hindsight also mentioned Mitchells odd public persona so hopefully it’s not completely rooted
Your present sight is also broken too if you only noticed that after the fact.
