All Blacks 2024
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
Cullen was diminished. But he was still one of the top couple of 15s in SR that year. It wasn't just the dropping. He went out of his way to try and humiliate him. Need I remind you how he sat in front of a press conference and blagged on about how CC didn't hold the ball right
I might have missed all the little details……and yes he might have been a dick about it…..
But would people have been so fair if Cullen had stayed on and been as maligned as BB has been ?
The point I’m making is that Mitchell did what everyone is whinging that Razor hasn’t done.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
Cullen was diminished. But he was still one of the top couple of 15s in SR that year. It wasn't just the dropping. He went out of his way to try and humiliate him. Need I remind you how he sat in front of a press conference and blagged on about how CC didn't hold the ball right
I might have missed all the little details……and yes he might have been a dick about it…..
But would people have been so fair if Cullen had stayed on and been as maligned as BB has been ?
The point I’m making is that Mitchell did what everyone is whinging that Razor hasn’t done.
And you're missing the point that BB is far from as effective as Cullen was when he was dropped.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
Cullen was diminished. But he was still one of the top couple of 15s in SR that year. It wasn't just the dropping. He went out of his way to try and humiliate him. Need I remind you how he sat in front of a press conference and blagged on about how CC didn't hold the ball right
I might have missed all the little details……and yes he might have been a dick about it…..
But would people have been so fair if Cullen had stayed on and been as maligned as BB has been ?
The point I’m making is that Mitchell did what everyone is whinging that Razor hasn’t done.
And you're missing the point that BB is far from as effective as Cullen was when he was dropped.
Well in 2024 yeah, maybe not so much a few years back.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
Cullen was diminished. But he was still one of the top couple of 15s in SR that year. It wasn't just the dropping. He went out of his way to try and humiliate him. Need I remind you how he sat in front of a press conference and blagged on about how CC didn't hold the ball right
I might have missed all the little details……and yes he might have been a dick about it…..
But would people have been so fair if Cullen had stayed on and been as maligned as BB has been ?
The point I’m making is that Mitchell did what everyone is whinging that Razor hasn’t done.
You are also missing the point that BB as a sub? I don't think too many would argue. Cullen was still second best at least and he didn't even make the squad
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Forwards were generally pretty bloody good this season. Backs were middling and awful against Italy. Forwards A- backs C
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
Cullen was diminished. But he was still one of the top couple of 15s in SR that year. It wasn't just the dropping. He went out of his way to try and humiliate him. Need I remind you how he sat in front of a press conference and blagged on about how CC didn't hold the ball right
I might have missed all the little details……and yes he might have been a dick about it…..
But would people have been so fair if Cullen had stayed on and been as maligned as BB has been ?
The point I’m making is that Mitchell did what everyone is whinging that Razor hasn’t done.
You are also missing the point that BB as a sub? I don't think too many would argue. Cullen was still second best at least and he didn't even make the squad
….and the next AB first fives are Stephen Perofeta and Harry Plummer.
All I’m trying to say is the perhaps the Cullen dropping wasn’t the massive bombshell people think.
Do I need to mention again he was an absolute legend and one of my favourite players ever ?
Anton Oliver, Andrew Mehrtens and Taine Randell got dropped too, two of them fought their way back in…..
In hindsight I guess it is Mitch’s slightly odd public persona that didn’t do him too many favours whereas Razor can do no wrong with his cool surfing demeanour.
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@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024:
So he obviously wants Richie Mounga, Frizzell, LF etc before they officially return.
Bollocks. Razor obviously got wind that many on the Fern are not happy with him, so he is paving the way to select Akira, Sotutu and Plummer.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Blacks 2024:
@SBW1 said in All Blacks 2024:
So he obviously wants Richie Mounga, Frizzell, LF etc before they officially return.
Bollocks. Razor obviously got wind that many on the Fern are not happy with him, so he is paving the way to select Akira, Sotutu and Plummer.
Typical, not selecting ENS who is made for test rugby.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
I can’t believe how well Mitchell did for all the scorn he got as a coach
I didn't mind him. Again, at least he made big decisions (right or wrong). Some benefitted the team going forward too. We played some great rugby under him in 2003.
People focused on the negative side of his reign, but there were a lot of positives too.
Well yeah, he dropped one of my favourite ever players too and in hindsight it was the right decision.
Demonised for doing what we all want Razor to do. It’s a tough gig being an AB coach
Your hindsight needs to go into the shop for repairs.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
I can’t believe how well Mitchell did for all the scorn he got as a coach
I didn't mind him. Again, at least he made big decisions (right or wrong). Some benefitted the team going forward too. We played some great rugby under him in 2003.
People focused on the negative side of his reign, but there were a lot of positives too.
Well yeah, he dropped one of my favourite ever players too and in hindsight it was the right decision.
Demonised for doing what we all want Razor to do. It’s a tough gig being an AB coach
Your hindsight needs to go into the shop for repairs.
My hindsight also mentioned Mitchells odd public persona so hopefully it’s not completely rooted
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@Nepia said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@African-Monkey said in All Blacks 2024:
@MN5 said in All Blacks 2024:
@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
I can’t believe how well Mitchell did for all the scorn he got as a coach
I didn't mind him. Again, at least he made big decisions (right or wrong). Some benefitted the team going forward too. We played some great rugby under him in 2003.
People focused on the negative side of his reign, but there were a lot of positives too.
Well yeah, he dropped one of my favourite ever players too and in hindsight it was the right decision.
Demonised for doing what we all want Razor to do. It’s a tough gig being an AB coach
Your hindsight needs to go into the shop for repairs.
My hindsight also mentioned Mitchells odd public persona so hopefully it’s not completely rooted
Your present sight is also broken too if you only noticed that after the fact.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
Given the loss of Whitelock, Retallick, Smith and Mo'unga I thought the year was ok
Ironically, the two positions where we didn't drop off were lock and 9 - and I'd argue we're in a better position at 9 overall without Christie.
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@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks 2024:
knee jerk reaction for the 2025 season - fowards generally not too bad this year..... backs.... hard to pencil anyone in outside of 9
- Ethan de Groot / Williams ----- pen them in.
- Codie Taylor / Aumua ------ pen them in
- Tyrel Lomax / Fletcher Newell --------------- pen them in
- Scott Barrett --- Shadow of the player he was last two years - captaincy not suiting him?
- Patrick Tuipulotu - probably his best season in black - Pen him in
(LOCKING pleasingly we have good competition in the locking department so pick on form) - Wallace Sititi - PEN HIM IN probably 8 --- ridiculous we needed an injury to see him selected
- Sam Cane - warrior -- thanks for the service -- position available ffs please pick on form. (Lakai possibly leading contender)
- Ardie Savea - passed his use by date - needs to earn selection
- Cam Roigard -- I'd pen him in but Ratima and Hotham are not bad so would select on form.
- Beauden Barrett at least 3 years passed his used by date
10 Damian McKenzie -- a better option than BB but like BBs dinky kicks.. Dmac can go sideways headless chicken a bit too much - POSITION OPEN - we need to be brave and select on form - Caleb Clarke - his best season and only outside back Id keep on form
- Anton Lienert-Brown . Jordie / good D zero creativity - position open
- Rieko Ioane -- Good D zero creativity - position open
- Mark Tele’a / Reece -- see yas we need youth and speed
- Will Jordan -- try scoring machine but I am not convinced -- select position on form and ffs choose a specialist 15 please
Unfortunately we have some how got to the point that players retain the jersey far too easily - selections should be ruthlessly earned.
rant over -- see you all in 2025
Tosi over Newell every day of the week.
Tu'ungafasi has actually been the best prop on th eoy tour. Williams had some good runs but his workrate is the lowest of all the props and he was a mixed bag at the scrum.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Mattasaurus said in All Blacks 2024:
knee jerk reaction for the 2025 season - fowards generally not too bad this year..... backs.... hard to pencil anyone in outside of 9
- Ethan de Groot / Williams ----- pen them in.
- Codie Taylor / Aumua ------ pen them in
- Tyrel Lomax / Fletcher Newell --------------- pen them in
- Scott Barrett --- Shadow of the player he was last two years - captaincy not suiting him?
- Patrick Tuipulotu - probably his best season in black - Pen him in
(LOCKING pleasingly we have good competition in the locking department so pick on form) - Wallace Sititi - PEN HIM IN probably 8 --- ridiculous we needed an injury to see him selected
- Sam Cane - warrior -- thanks for the service -- position available ffs please pick on form. (Lakai possibly leading contender)
- Ardie Savea - passed his use by date - needs to earn selection
- Cam Roigard -- I'd pen him in but Ratima and Hotham are not bad so would select on form.
- Beauden Barrett at least 3 years passed his used by date
10 Damian McKenzie -- a better option than BB but like BBs dinky kicks.. Dmac can go sideways headless chicken a bit too much - POSITION OPEN - we need to be brave and select on form - Caleb Clarke - his best season and only outside back Id keep on form
- Anton Lienert-Brown . Jordie / good D zero creativity - position open
- Rieko Ioane -- Good D zero creativity - position open
- Mark Tele’a / Reece -- see yas we need youth and speed
- Will Jordan -- try scoring machine but I am not convinced -- select position on form and ffs choose a specialist 15 please
Unfortunately we have some how got to the point that players retain the jersey far too easily - selections should be ruthlessly earned.
rant over -- see you all in 2025
Tosi over Newell every day of the week.
Tu'ungafasi has actually been the best prop on th eoy tour. Williams had some good runs but his workrate is the lowest of all the props and he was a mixed bag at the scrum.
I've been critical of Ofa in the past, but yep, he's had a good tour. His scrummaging has been very good on this tour too.
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
Robertson to up ante on selecting overseas players for All Blacks
The All Blacks coach, reflecting on his first year in charge, said he will make a submission to the NZ Rugby board about changing the selection criteria.
I think I've been had. I'm already very bearish on next season if that's how he feels. Perhaps the SuperCoach should just select good players and coach, instead of fapping over guys that chose to leave?
Fuck no I am dead against picking overseas players.It will be the death nail of our competitions imo.
If players want to come back no problems but play in our competitions to be selected.
It sounds like Razor wants to keep Cane ffs.
Stupid idea Razor get your shit together and promote the players we have playing locally and players who return to play locally. -
I was hoping that was just another sensational media headline
But no, that's the AB coach wanting players who left NZ, in black and white.
That's fucking disgraceful.
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Just NO to overseas players. Yes if they play super rugby even in Australia. Find a way somehow to get Japan back into super rugby.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@Darth-Sader said in All Blacks 2024:
I think what we’ve seen is what would happen if any of us had the chance to select and coach the ABs. We’ve got this idea in our head of a style of play and what we think will work, and then very quickly - how does the Mike Tyson quote go? - everybody has a plan until they get punched in the face. Under Razor the ABs are trying to play a skills-based game to out manoeuvre their opposition. The interesting thing is, we’ve actually discovered some dimensions to our power game (Sititi, Aumua, Paddy to an extent… Ardie for about 3 mins every game). So, what he needs to do, is quickly sort out how to diversify the approach so we don’t just rely on out-highlights reeling the opposition. Don’t forget, we’ve been there or there abouts with the best teams in the world this year. Is it good enough yet? No. Is there the potential to grow consistently into the best team in the world? In the basis of some of the young players coming through, I would say yes. But Razor’s got some hard/brave calls to make in 2025.
I'm not sure about potential. France and South Africa have some serious depth and high calibre players.
They're tough, smart and they use their bench well. I think their playmakers/game managers are better than ours.
They're winning games against us with young players coming through.
We have some real potential particularly in our forwards, but what we lack - and which we have lacked since 2016 - but which RSA and France have, is brains both on and off the field. I have said on another thread that, if Razor has half a brain, he will try to turn this team into an adapted 10-man rugby team that bludgeons their opposition, plays for set pieces, and attacks only off counterattacking chaos ball - that would be making the most of our actual rather than imagined talents. This bullshit about "our DNA" really grinds my gears because the actual DNA of the best players we have available would be much better suited to an entirely different game plan.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
I was hoping that was just another sensational media headline
But no, that's the AB coach wanting players who left NZ, in black and white.
That's fucking disgraceful.
And, his rationale, TBH, is SA is a bit better than us so can we play by their rules?
That's not quite the coaching genius I signed up for.
