All Blacks 2024
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@canefan I wish Iose was bigger, cause he’s a good 8 too. Regarding Sotutu, his tackle stats, number of runs was down on Satitis, Jacobson and others but his try assists, try’s and line break assists were the best of the lot. He also provides a jumper at line out time, more size in maul defense. I think with an attacking ABs side he will add xfactor. You surround him with your hard workers.
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@Boston-Boy said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan I wish Iose was bigger, cause he’s a good 8 too. Regarding Sotutu, his tackle stats, number of runs was down on Satitis, Jacobson and others but his try assists, try’s and line break assists were the best of the lot. He also provides a jumper at line out time, more size in maul defense. I think with an attacking ABs side he will add xfactor. You surround him with your hard workers.
The numbers can be misleading as well. If they see he's got work ons, what better place to do that but in ABs camp on a three week long tour? He's not a project player, I assume they just want him to polish up some areas
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
All the talk of Roigard I just hope he comes back well from that nasty injury, some players never come back the same they lose pace and flexibility from that injury or take a long time to reach their pre injury form.
I don't want him rushed back. Let him rehab properly because we need him for the longterm
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
All the talk of Roigard I just hope he comes back well from that nasty injury, some players never come back the same they lose pace and flexibility from that injury or take a long time to reach their pre injury form.
He's looking pretty good fellas. Likely a return for Counties at the back-end of the NPC.
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@Chris said in All Blacks 2024:
All the talk of Roigard I just hope he comes back well from that nasty injury, some players never come back the same they lose pace and flexibility from that injury or take a long time to reach their pre injury form.
He has a channel on Insta that he is posting his rehab and recovery on, posts updates every couple of days, looking good!
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2024:
@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
Personally I think Roigard will give the Boks kittens and have no idea why Foster omitted him from the RWC final. This is the same guy who ran 60 meters from the base of a ruck and skinned 5 of their players 3 weeks earlier. He would have definitely kept them guessing with that fresh in their memory.
For a bloke who's played 3 Tests, started 1, and scored a solo try in the dying moments against a Bokke team physically knackered from giving the AB's an absolute thumping in essentially a exhibition match, Roigard sure seems to have morphed into an absolute AB legend capable of singe-handedly turning around the AB's fortunes.........
Terrific potential though.
Almost reached the heights of Ngatai
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@Boston-Boy said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan I wish Iose was bigger, cause he’s a good 8 too. Regarding Sotutu, his tackle stats, number of runs was down on Satitis, Jacobson and others but his try assists, try’s and line break assists were the best of the lot. He also provides a jumper at line out time, more size in maul defense. I think with an attacking ABs side he will add xfactor. You surround him with your hard workers.
For me, the team either needs to adopt a 6-2 split, or use the tactic of shifting Scott Barrett to the blindside in the end game, as they have used in previous seasons. If Papali’i and Barrett on the flanks it adds lineout presence and physicality at the right time in the game. I think adding Darry at the same time accentuates this advantage.
Other players that should be considered as impact subs include Sititi, possibly Luke Jacobson and Pasilio Tosi at prop.
Either way, the bench strategy needs to be revised.
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@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2024:
use the tactic of shifting Scott Barrett to the blindside in the end game,
I like that.
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A big problem is how slow our loosies are, and the answer is to move a guy there who was too slow 5 years ago?
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
A big problem is how slow our loosies are, and the answer is to move a guy there who was too slow 5 years ago?
yes yes, but he's slow and tall! And reasonably powerful.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
A big problem is how slow our loosies are, and the answer is to move a guy there who was too slow 5 years ago?
Exactly - and even worse when he's already played 60 minutes and is half-knackered - up against a pretty much entirely replaced pack.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
A big problem is how slow our loosies are, and the answer is to move a guy there who was too slow 5 years ago?
Exactly - and even worse when he's already played 60 minutes and is half-knackered - up against a pretty much entirely replaced pack.
Definitely need another loosie on the bench. If something does wrong Ardie can always go to the wing...
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Just wondering what Razors expectations for wins-losses would have been for 2024.
Obviously he would have wanted to win every game but I reckon with the changes in playing group he may have expected
1-1. Win/loss against England
2-0 against Argentina
1-1 against South Africa
2-0 against Oz
1-0 against Japan
3-1 in EuropeAnd that would be regarded as a pretty decent first year
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@nzzp said in All Blacks 2024:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2024:
A big problem is how slow our loosies are, and the answer is to move a guy there who was too slow 5 years ago?
yes yes, but he's slow and tall! And reasonably powerful.
And unlike, say, Finau he's not a card ri, ah fuck.
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I really dislike how Finau gets treated. Gets given a random game here and there to "prove" himself. Sure he's looked pretty bad but he's a young guy with fuck all tests and just gets thrown in randomly and turfed when it doesn't work. He's on a hiding to nothing.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
I really dislike how Finau gets treated. Gets given a random game here and there to "prove" himself. Sure he's looked pretty bad but he's a young guy with fuck all tests and just gets thrown in randomly and turfed when it doesn't work. He's on a hiding to nothing.
Same. The positive spin is that they recognise he's got a tonne of potential but not as ready for tests as they hoped, so investing a lot of time on him at training.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
I really dislike how Finau gets treated. Gets given a random game here and there to "prove" himself. Sure he's looked pretty bad but he's a young guy with fuck all tests and just gets thrown in randomly and turfed when it doesn't work. He's on a hiding to nothing.
Hmmm. Options
- he starts
- he’s on the bench
- he’s not in the 23
He’s had 1,2,3 this season and he did ok at 3.
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@Billy-Tell said in All Blacks 2024:
@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
I really dislike how Finau gets treated. Gets given a random game here and there to "prove" himself. Sure he's looked pretty bad but he's a young guy with fuck all tests and just gets thrown in randomly and turfed when it doesn't work. He's on a hiding to nothing.
Hmmm. Options
- he starts
- he’s on the bench
- he’s not in the 23
He’s had 1,2,3 this season and he did ok at 3.
Righto. I see you missed the point completely.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2024:
I really dislike how Finau gets treated. Gets given a random game here and there to "prove" himself. Sure he's looked pretty bad but he's a young guy with fuck all tests and just gets thrown in randomly and turfed when it doesn't work. He's on a hiding to nothing.
I thought they showed a fair bit of faith in the young fella by giving him both starts against the Poms ahead of LJ. He played 110+ minutes in those games having only played one test prior.
I thought test one he was okayish, the second one he struggled a little but nothing too outrageous, but something for the coaches to work with him on in a training environment. from my armchair there was probably one concerning matter but again nothing that will see him put on the heap.
The less game time did also coincide with the return of EB. I don’t think he’s on a hiding to nothing yet. He’s still very much finding his feet and his minutes will be up and down not dissimilar to many others just starting out in the ABs.
