All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham
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@reprobate Two surely. Telea and Jordan.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
So we have picked all of our available locks and loosies, and 1 out of our 5 selected outside backs. Marvellous.
Just thinking that about locks and loosies.
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@reprobate My guess is that the extra outside backs are about two very specific opponents (not the Boks).
One where the coaches think we’ll need as much pace as we can on the Wing, another one where they think we’ll need power.
Taking both Narawa and Clarke rather than a utility forward like Cullen Grace still looks like a mistake.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Reasonably close to our strongest line-up, considering who are and who aren't available, although I'd prefer Fainga'anuku in the 23 jersey.
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Wonder if Taylor carrying an injury?
Was wondering the same thing.
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Frizell's injury has really stuffed things up. I like Jacobson but I think too small against a big Bok pack. I think this is why they've gone with a 6-2 split on the bench. Have we ever gone this route before?
I would've preferred to see Vaa'i partner Whitelock and push Barrett out to 6 with a traditional split on the bench ie, Lord and Papali'i. This way you could've put DMac on the bench against a tiring Bok team.
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Has Luke Jacobson been selected at 6 for the All Blacks before?
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@Kiwiwomble A bit weird that they are giving the start time in GMT when the UK is currently on BST.
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@TheMojoman said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I would've preferred to see Vaa'i partner Whitelock and push Barrett out to 6 with a traditional split on the bench ie, Lord and Papali'i. This way you could've put DMac on the bench against a tiring Bok team.
I don't think they wanted to start all 3 of the only fit locks left standing 2 weeks before RWC opener vs France.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Has Luke Jacobson been selected at 6 for the All Blacks before?
Yes, twice (against the USA and Italy in 2021).
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I don’t care if the game is on Friday, name the team on Thursday you eggs.
Looks to be first choice backline and close to first choice pack. Hopefully we see some fluency but keeping our powder dry.
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I don’t care if the game is on Friday, name the team on Thursday you eggs.
Looks to be first choice backline and close to first choice pack. Hopefully we see some fluency but keeping our powder dry.
Dry, but not bone dry?
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Vaa'i to be used as a 6 during the match.
Hopefully Roigard cements his spot on the bench ahead of Christie.
Not necessarily. Would be ballsy move, though, for Vaa'i and Lord to replace Scooter and Big Sam in one go.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@bayimports said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
No Finau
The fuck was the point in taking him. Jesus.
The one thing, as observed way above, is that players for French game need to be prioritised. And so all four fit ones needed game time. The irony is that Frizell's injury probably lead to Lord playing instead of Finau.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Lord playing instead of Finau
Fozzie Logic.
You punished that!
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Just because SA have been here longer and have had a run out, SA by 4-9
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Don't like ALB as the sole back replacement.
Doesn't exactly scream impact to me.
He did not have impact as a starter in 2019!
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Don't like ALB as the sole back replacement.
Doesn't exactly scream impact to me.
He did not have impact as a starter in 2019!
Prefer Havili?
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
So what will the NZ side be? Something like?
Du Groot, Taylor, Lomax, S. Barrett, Whitelock, Jacobson, Cane (c), A. Savea, A.Smith, R. Mo’unga, Telea, J. Barrett, R. Ioane, W. Jordan, B. Barrett.
Sami T, Williams, Newell, Vaii, Papalii, Christie, Havili, Leicester F
I expect Finau at 6. Three of Lord/Vaa'i/Jacobson/Papali'i om bench. Leicester may not be needed.
Apart from Finau enigma, this was pretty close.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Don't like ALB as the sole back replacement.
Doesn't exactly scream impact to me.
He did not have impact as a starter in 2019!
Prefer Havili?
No not him either.
Someone with some wheels.
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Don't like ALB as the sole back replacement.
Doesn't exactly scream impact to me.
He did not have impact as a starter in 2019!
Prefer Havili?
No not him either.
Someone with some wheels.
Clarke????
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Don't like ALB as the sole back replacement.
Doesn't exactly scream impact to me.
He did not have impact as a starter in 2019!
Prefer Havili?
No not him either.
Someone with some wheels.
Clarke????
Id be thinking along the lines of DMAC, Leicester, Narawa, (Stevenson if selected). Im not a Clarke fan to be honest, but he'd be the next cab off my rank I suppose.
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@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Don't like ALB as the sole back replacement.
Doesn't exactly scream impact to me.
He did not have impact as a starter in 2019!
Prefer Havili?
No not him either.
Someone with some wheels.
Clarke????
Id be thinking along the lines of DMAC, Leicester, Narawa, (Stevenson if selected). Im not a Clarke fan to be honest, but he'd be the next cab off my rank I suppose.
Tricky thing is covering a midfield injury.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@pakman said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
@Steve said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Don't like ALB as the sole back replacement.
Doesn't exactly scream impact to me.
He did not have impact as a starter in 2019!
Prefer Havili?
No not him either.
Someone with some wheels.
Clarke????
Id be thinking along the lines of DMAC, Leicester, Narawa, (Stevenson if selected). Im not a Clarke fan to be honest, but he'd be the next cab off my rank I suppose.
Tricky thing is covering a midfield injury.
I suppose the 6/2 split is more the issue there.
I don't mind ALB on the bench per se, but when ALB is ALL that's on the bench, then I see no impact.
Imagine being down in the second half and needing to turn things round and ALB is the answer.
Not for me.
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Nothing like a bok AB game. I really, really want the boks to be looking for revenge for fucking Albany. And I especially want Etzebeth to be out to coldly, cynically take his pound of flesh closest to the heart.
Long 26 hours ahead.
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That team gets the thumbs up from me. Good stuff Ian.
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I thought they would give Finau a run, but don't know what's happened since he got to London, and I wondering if there an injury that perhaps whoever it is Lord will come in? Maybe Rettalick slower recovering than expected?
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I don’t get the point of finau getting a run. Hes not in the squad. Need to know that Jacobsen can cover 6.
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Four openside sized loosies in the 23. Not a fan.
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@Toddy said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Four openside sized loosies in the 23. Not a fan.
How about being a fan of 4 No8s in the 23?? Apart from Cane they can all cover and have played 8.
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@Smuts said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
Nothing like a bok AB game. I really, really want the boks to be looking for revenge for fucking Albany. And I especially want Etzebeth to be out to coldly, cynically take his pound of flesh closest to the heart.
Long 26 hours ahead.
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@Dan54 said in All Blacks vs Springboks - Twickenham:
I thought they would give Finau a run, but don't know what's happened since he got to London, and I wondering if there an injury that perhaps whoever it is Lord will come in? Maybe Rettalick slower recovering than expected?
As @Billy-Tell says they need to prepare for France opening game. As it stands right now (touching wood no more injuries) Jacobson is a real contender for 6 shirt vs France - Finau is not.
Both Lord and Vaai on the bench allows them the flexibility of subbing off both of their starting locks - which is useful given they have only 3 fit locks for the French game.
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So the criticisms seem to be:
- we picked a bloke who is in the main squad over a bloke who is not (on the bench)
- we picked a bloke who is not in the main squad but not a bloke who is not in the main squad
- we've picked a 6-2 bench against a team that has picked a 6-2 bench
- we didn't pick a specilaist winger on the bench
About right?
On the plus side:
- Best available XV (assuming Taylor is injured)
- chance to use either of our lock/6 options for some time at 6
- Lord gets game time in the event of injury to squad locks necessitating replacment during tournament
- Best available forward bench plus 1
- Roigard gets game time
Other observations:
- ALB covers both midfield positions
- 3 of the non-winger starting backs have started tests on the wing
Anything else?
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Hopefully we get an explanation about Taylor and the 6:2 bench in the press conference as the media release (only published a couple of hours ago) doesn't have any information.
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Is DMac injured? It's a bit of an odd bench but I guess this is an odd game. Am a LJ fan so hope he puts in a good shift.
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@Billy-Tell Most heart warming post on The Fern in the last 2 years.👍💯🏉
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What was the other test match coles started this year and played well ?
First up argies ?
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That's been his only start innit?
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