All Blacks 2021
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@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
I think generally , we( the public ) go too early writing young players off ,
Nonu was probably the one that stands out the most for me , man didnt he prove some people wrong
Conversely there’s also a tendency to hype a young player too early because he does one or two things that we the public might like.
One example for me was I really rated Angus MacDonald. To me he had long term All Black written all over him when I saw him play as a 20 year old and then in 03-04 for the Blues. He made the ABs in 05 and I thought he was our versatile lock/blindside for the bench for years to come. I even said on here that I thought he could be a leader in the ABs.
He played two tests.
My memory tells me MacDonald buggered off overseas way too early taking people by surprise. Might be why he only played two tests.
He didn’t get selected in 06 (despite some big squads) and 07 including not making the RWC squad, so he decided to go Japan in 08. So at the point of him going overseas he wasn’t even a fringe AB, he was someone that played a couple of EOYT tests in 05.
Sure we want these players to stay for NPC and Super but I doubt the timing of his decision had anything to do with why he only played two tests.
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@act-crusader you have a way better memory than me!
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@act-crusader There was a Wellington/Hurricanes 6/lock who went overseas young, and got mentioned by Henry.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
was savea written on on here as shit? he started before my time on TSF
I don't recall that. I recall he probably wasn't universally accepted as an automatic starter. Which may have upset his fans.
I see. Saying a player is shit or useless or crap is simply code for "not a universally accepted automatic starter" or "still young but can develop and improve". Very illuminating.
I suppose those comments about Aaron Smith being too small for test rugby back in the day were referring to his kicking game?
Seriously Boo Boo, the level of hyperbole about certain players here has always been off the charts. This notion that there was simply polite disagreement is hilarious.
Suck on a dildo.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
was savea written on on here as shit? he started before my time on TSF
I don't recall that. I recall he probably wasn't universally accepted as an automatic starter. Which may have upset his fans.
I see. Saying a player is shit or useless or crap is simply code for "not a universally accepted automatic starter" or "still young but can develop and improve". Very illuminating.
I suppose those comments about Aaron Smith being too small for test rugby back in the day were referring to his kicking game?
Seriously Boo Boo, the level of hyperbole about certain players here has always been off the charts. This notion that there was simply polite disagreement is hilarious.
Suck on a dildo.
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@tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@act-crusader There was a Wellington/Hurricanes 6/lock who went overseas young, and got mentioned by Henry.
Paterson?
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@crazy-horse said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@act-crusader you have a way better memory than me!
Haha, it’s one of those things. When Auckland won the Air NZ Cup in 07 (when they had Angus, Kaino and Braid as their loose forward trio) I can’t remember who I lost a little wager with but I had to go by ACT Aucklander for a short time on here!
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@act-crusader There was a Wellington/Hurricanes 6/lock who went overseas young, and got mentioned by Henry.
Paterson?
Yep definitely was Michael Paterson. Can’t remember the exact year but Henry gave an interview about players going overseas and he mentioned Paterson along with a couple others (possibly Dan Bowden?)
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@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
was savea written on on here as shit? he started before my time on TSF
I don't recall that. I recall he probably wasn't universally accepted as an automatic starter. Which may have upset his fans.
I see. Saying a player is shit or useless or crap is simply code for "not a universally accepted automatic starter" or "still young but can develop and improve". Very illuminating.
I suppose those comments about Aaron Smith being too small for test rugby back in the day were referring to his kicking game?
Seriously Boo Boo, the level of hyperbole about certain players here has always been off the charts. This notion that there was simply polite disagreement is hilarious.
Did I miss something?
I don't recall Ardie being written off for eternity by anyone.
And seriously, as good as he is I'm not even convinced he is absolutely locked in to our match day XXIII if everyone is fit.
Am a huge fan and love what he does.
But Cane, Ardie, Dalts, Ethan, Akira, Jacobsen, Sotutu is a hell of a potential gang of loosies.
I just don't recall people calling him shit. Just that he was not the guy to pick then and there.
But that was me and I was not that invested in the individual.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
was savea written on on here as shit? he started before my time on TSF
I don't recall that. I recall he probably wasn't universally accepted as an automatic starter. Which may have upset his fans.
I see. Saying a player is shit or useless or crap is simply code for "not a universally accepted automatic starter" or "still young but can develop and improve". Very illuminating.
I suppose those comments about Aaron Smith being too small for test rugby back in the day were referring to his kicking game?
Seriously Boo Boo, the level of hyperbole about certain players here has always been off the charts. This notion that there was simply polite disagreement is hilarious.
Suck on a dildo.
Not a fan. Bought for Mrs Boo once.
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@act-crusader There was a Wellington/Hurricanes 6/lock who went overseas young, and got mentioned by Henry.
Paterson?
Shit. That is who I was thinking of!
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@tim @Bones @Crazy-Horse after a bit of digging found this article from 2010. Several names in there.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
was savea written on on here as shit? he started before my time on TSF
I don't recall that. I recall he probably wasn't universally accepted as an automatic starter. Which may have upset his fans.
I see. Saying a player is shit or useless or crap is simply code for "not a universally accepted automatic starter" or "still young but can develop and improve". Very illuminating.
I suppose those comments about Aaron Smith being too small for test rugby back in the day were referring to his kicking game?
Seriously Boo Boo, the level of hyperbole about certain players here has always been off the charts. This notion that there was simply polite disagreement is hilarious.
Suck on a dildo.
You wish she looked like that.
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwiwomble said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
was savea written on on here as shit? he started before my time on TSF
I don't recall that. I recall he probably wasn't universally accepted as an automatic starter. Which may have upset his fans.
I see. Saying a player is shit or useless or crap is simply code for "not a universally accepted automatic starter" or "still young but can develop and improve". Very illuminating.
I suppose those comments about Aaron Smith being too small for test rugby back in the day were referring to his kicking game?
Seriously Boo Boo, the level of hyperbole about certain players here has always been off the charts. This notion that there was simply polite disagreement is hilarious.
Did I miss something?
I don't recall Ardie being written off for eternity by anyone.
And seriously, as good as he is I'm not even convinced he is absolutely locked in to our match day XXIII if everyone is fit.
Am a huge fan and love what he does.
But Cane, Ardie, Dalts, Ethan, Akira, Jacobsen, Sotutu is a hell of a potential gang of loosies.
I just don't recall people calling him shit. Just that he was not the guy to pick then and there.
But that was me and I was not that invested in the individual.
Then your recollection is crap.
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@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
I think generally , we( the public ) go too early writing young players off ,
Nonu was probably the one that stands out the most for me , man didnt he prove some people wrong
Kaino was another one that was written off and then, all of the sudden, he became quite good, right around the time he turned about 25...
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@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@dice said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@act-crusader said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
I think generally , we( the public ) go too early writing young players off ,
Nonu was probably the one that stands out the most for me , man didnt he prove some people wrong
Conversely there’s also a tendency to hype a young player too early because he does one or two things that we the public might like.
One example for me was I really rated Angus MacDonald. To me he had long term All Black written all over him when I saw him play as a 20 year old and then in 03-04 for the Blues. He made the ABs in 05 and I thought he was our versatile lock/blindside for the bench for years to come. I even said on here that I thought he could be a leader in the ABs.
He played two tests.
And of course, how could we forget Ice.... 🎣
I think he's a difficult one because at that time there were so many other good players in all the positions he could play in. At 12 you had Mauger and McAllister. At 13 you had Conrad. There were about 100 good players on the wing, and at fullback you had Mils. Trying to fit him in somewhere was a problem. I reckon if he'd been around now he'd be straight in there.
He was brilliant at 15 in his first super season with the Canes. It is well documented that he was thrown into the ABs very quickly. A few seasons at full back might have helped him ease in
He was a big reason why Fa'atau was the top try scorer in Super Rugby that season.
Great job by snake to find him, and a beautiful line by Ice. He should never have gone back to Auckland. Stay and complete his apprenticeship with Nonu, Smith and Co
He had great timing and ran great lines - it's a shame his hands let him down too often
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@tim said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@act-crusader There was a Wellington/Hurricanes 6/lock who went overseas young, and got mentioned by Henry.
Paterson?
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@junior said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
I think generally , we( the public ) go too early writing young players off ,
Nonu was probably the one that stands out the most for me , man didnt he prove some people wrong
Kaino was another one that was written off and then, all of the sudden, he became quite good, right around the time he turned about 25...
i feel i need to add....i think ive probably had doubts and briefly bagged pretty much every player except the likes of DC, Mccaw, Lomu and Ben smith....but even i know the last one is 95% bias
My recollection of the zeitgeist outside of TSF for lots of the player mentioned is more or less in line with recognising their potential whilst young but pretty much all of them having noticeable work ons so critiquing their early career's is pretty fair
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@junior said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
I think generally , we( the public ) go too early writing young players off ,
Nonu was probably the one that stands out the most for me , man didnt he prove some people wrong
Kaino was another one that was written off and then, all of the sudden, he became quite good, right around the time he turned about 25...
Rodney So'oialo was another one. Made his way into the ABs around 23? but didn't start to realise his potential until 25
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@junior said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwiinmelb said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@rancid-schnitzel said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@canefan said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
@kiwimurph said in All Blacks vs Springboks I:
Might have been his best game in black. He did everything that was asked of him and more, without the brain farts that have plagued him in the past
I'm going to allow myself a farking great portion of smug satisfaction. His class was always there but for whatever reason some were willing to write him off age 19. It just goes to show that players mature, develop and improve. Writing anyone off that young is simply idiotic.
It's particularly ironic that of the 2 players who were written off as "shit" very young, one is now the captain and the other played a blinder and saved the game last week.
I think generally , we( the public ) go too early writing young players off ,
Nonu was probably the one that stands out the most for me , man didnt he prove some people wrong
Kaino was another one that was written off and then, all of the sudden, he became quite good, right around the time he turned about 25...
Was he written off though? I think a lot of people thought when he made that baabaas game, here is a big athlete that was still pretty raw, that knew how to put his shoulder into the oppositions ribs, had massive potential but a bit to work on. Henry obviously thought so and hence why he didn’t select him for the Lions squad the next year or the 07 RWC.
Post-RWC, after a big 2007 Air NZ cup, improvement in his game, some player departures, the stars appeared to align and he became a mainstay for years to follow.
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