What’s out there at Second Five?
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@Tim said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@ARHS said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
I like the look of Tua from Northland.
Unfortunately he's set to miss super rugby due to surgery recovery.
I bet he provides the kind of punch the selectors are looking for
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@Bovidae said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@ARHS said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@Bovidae but has he picked up injuries along the way? e.g. concussions and collision injuries He doesn't seem quite so keen to hit and run hard as often as when he burst on to the scene. Is that maybe why the migration to centre?
I'm not aware of any major injuries, although he did acknowledge that SR was tough (mentally and physically). For the Chiefs, Tupaea played at centre because they obviously wanted ALB at 2nd 5, and ended up on the wing occasionally if injuries struck. That doesn't explain why he and Sullivan were supposedly playing in the wrong positions for Waikato. Only the coaches know that reason.
That one is really frustrating, and I agree that I'd like to see him used closer to the action. Let's hope that the Chiefs coaches are reading your posts...
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@junior said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
Mate, did you watch the opening minutes of our RWC semi final?
We should use the crash on the fact in one game we failed to tackle well? That's bizarre.
(We just watched a series of games where all the Argies did was smash it up, and it proved singularly uneffective. Luckily for them, our strategy was worse, but that does not make theirs good. )
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Back on topic, the short answer is fuck-all, isn't it?
That's why they've been trying to shoe-horn Goodhue in there all year. They picked the wrong one of the two good midfielders to move, but you can see the reasoning at least. Can't see any reasoning in the outside backs.
Laumape deserved a shot on form but was injured, then got one go and didn't do much outside an out of position fullback and one of the worst AB halfback performances you could ever hope not to see. I'm not a fan of his style of play, but that's pretty harsh on a bloke who has been a real stand-out at the level below, and made a number of his team-mates look pretty stupid this year. -
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@pakman said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
George Moala in several European Cup team of week selections at 12.
Team of the Week: Champions Cup, Round One
Now that the dust has settled on the opening round of the Champions Cup, we have gone through the action to pick the best players from the games.
Maori Jesus reserve 12!
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I've been thinking, at the Blues (and the ABs) 12 is a consistently under-valued position and whoever is there needs a string of games to get comfortable. I won't count TJ as they seldom seem to play him, in general, I'd have to go back a decade or so to find a good 12 at the Blues (yeh, I probably missed someone). 12 and 13 aren't that easily interchangeable as Goodhue's change revealed. Of course it is made worse at the Blues as who knows who their top 10 is, even now, and the star BB purchase, was, to put it mildly, of academic value if he doesn't play.
At AB level, arguably, the leading 12 is a guy who doesn't want to play there and normally doesn't. (Perhaps ALB is in contention, but some have said he looks better at 13).. -
@nostrildamus said in Blues 2021:
I've been thinking, at the Blues (and the ABs) 12 is a consistently under-valued position and whoever is there needs a string of games to get comfortable. I won't count TJ as they seldom seem to play him, in general, I'd have to go back a decade or so to find a good 12 at the Blues (yeh, I probably missed someone). 12 and 13 aren't that easily interchangeable as Goodhue's change revealed. Of course it is made worse at the Blues as who knows who their top 10 is, even now, and the star BB purchase, was, to put it mildly, of academic value if he doesn't play.
At AB level, arguably, the leading 12 is a guy who doesn't want to play there and normally doesn't. (Perhaps ALB is in contention, but some have said he looks better at 13)..Not that different to Chiefs and Highlanders really. Since the Chiefs lost the world's greatest midfielder to the Euro they have chopped and changed ALB around to fit whoever else was playing that week. Highlanders have also found 12 a troublesome position to nail down and even the Saders have had to move Goodhue in one until injuries forced the hand of Haviili to play there and prove to be a success..
We simply don't have enough quality 12s which, in part, is due to it being a position that is at the whim of the coaching. Do they want a straight runner ala Laumape or a 2nd 5/8? Nonu was a freak in that he developed into a combo of both. Doesn't encourage many to specialise there. Most hedge their bets with being a 'centre'
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@nostrildamus said in Blues 2021:
At AB level, arguably, the leading 12 is a guy who doesn't want to play there and normally doesn't.
Charlie Ngatai?
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@nzzp said in Blues 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Blues 2021:
At AB level, arguably, the leading 12 is a guy who doesn't want to play there and normally doesn't.
Charlie Ngatai?
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@crucial said in Blues 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Blues 2021:
I've been thinking, at the Blues (and the ABs) 12 is a consistently under-valued position and whoever is there needs a string of games to get comfortable. I won't count TJ as they seldom seem to play him, in general, I'd have to go back a decade or so to find a good 12 at the Blues (yeh, I probably missed someone). 12 and 13 aren't that easily interchangeable as Goodhue's change revealed. Of course it is made worse at the Blues as who knows who their top 10 is, even now, and the star BB purchase, was, to put it mildly, of academic value if he doesn't play.
At AB level, arguably, the leading 12 is a guy who doesn't want to play there and normally doesn't. (Perhaps ALB is in contention, but some have said he looks better at 13)..Not that different to Chiefs and Highlanders really. Since the Chiefs lost the world's greatest midfielder to the Euro they have chopped and changed ALB around to fit whoever else was playing that week. Highlanders have also found 12 a troublesome position to nail down and even the Saders have had to move Goodhue in one until injuries forced the hand of Haviili to play there and prove to be a success..
We simply don't have enough quality 12s which, in part, is due to it being a position that is at the whim of the coaching. Do they want a straight runner ala Laumape or a 2nd 5/8? Nonu was a freak in that he developed into a combo of both. Doesn't encourage many to specialise there. Most hedge their bets with being a 'centre'
We don't really have many 2nd 5/8s do we?
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@nzzp said in Blues 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Blues 2021:
At AB level, arguably, the leading 12 is a guy who doesn't want to play there and normally doesn't.
Charlie Ngatai?
No. He is the aforementioned 'world's greatest midfielder'
Wish we still had him in the mix.
