What’s out there at Second Five?
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@junior said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
Mate, did you watch the opening minutes of our RWC semi final?
We should use the crash on the fact in one game we failed to tackle well? That's bizarre.
(We just watched a series of games where all the Argies did was smash it up, and it proved singularly uneffective. Luckily for them, our strategy was worse, but that does not make theirs good. )
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Back on topic, the short answer is fuck-all, isn't it?
That's why they've been trying to shoe-horn Goodhue in there all year. They picked the wrong one of the two good midfielders to move, but you can see the reasoning at least. Can't see any reasoning in the outside backs.
Laumape deserved a shot on form but was injured, then got one go and didn't do much outside an out of position fullback and one of the worst AB halfback performances you could ever hope not to see. I'm not a fan of his style of play, but that's pretty harsh on a bloke who has been a real stand-out at the level below, and made a number of his team-mates look pretty stupid this year. -
I've been thinking, at the Blues (and the ABs) 12 is a consistently under-valued position and whoever is there needs a string of games to get comfortable. I won't count TJ as they seldom seem to play him, in general, I'd have to go back a decade or so to find a good 12 at the Blues (yeh, I probably missed someone). 12 and 13 aren't that easily interchangeable as Goodhue's change revealed. Of course it is made worse at the Blues as who knows who their top 10 is, even now, and the star BB purchase, was, to put it mildly, of academic value if he doesn't play.
At AB level, arguably, the leading 12 is a guy who doesn't want to play there and normally doesn't. (Perhaps ALB is in contention, but some have said he looks better at 13).. -
@nostrildamus said in Blues 2021:
I've been thinking, at the Blues (and the ABs) 12 is a consistently under-valued position and whoever is there needs a string of games to get comfortable. I won't count TJ as they seldom seem to play him, in general, I'd have to go back a decade or so to find a good 12 at the Blues (yeh, I probably missed someone). 12 and 13 aren't that easily interchangeable as Goodhue's change revealed. Of course it is made worse at the Blues as who knows who their top 10 is, even now, and the star BB purchase, was, to put it mildly, of academic value if he doesn't play.
At AB level, arguably, the leading 12 is a guy who doesn't want to play there and normally doesn't. (Perhaps ALB is in contention, but some have said he looks better at 13)..Not that different to Chiefs and Highlanders really. Since the Chiefs lost the world's greatest midfielder to the Euro they have chopped and changed ALB around to fit whoever else was playing that week. Highlanders have also found 12 a troublesome position to nail down and even the Saders have had to move Goodhue in one until injuries forced the hand of Haviili to play there and prove to be a success..
We simply don't have enough quality 12s which, in part, is due to it being a position that is at the whim of the coaching. Do they want a straight runner ala Laumape or a 2nd 5/8? Nonu was a freak in that he developed into a combo of both. Doesn't encourage many to specialise there. Most hedge their bets with being a 'centre'
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@nostrildamus said in Blues 2021:
At AB level, arguably, the leading 12 is a guy who doesn't want to play there and normally doesn't.
Charlie Ngatai?
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@nzzp said in Blues 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Blues 2021:
At AB level, arguably, the leading 12 is a guy who doesn't want to play there and normally doesn't.
Charlie Ngatai?
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@crucial said in Blues 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Blues 2021:
I've been thinking, at the Blues (and the ABs) 12 is a consistently under-valued position and whoever is there needs a string of games to get comfortable. I won't count TJ as they seldom seem to play him, in general, I'd have to go back a decade or so to find a good 12 at the Blues (yeh, I probably missed someone). 12 and 13 aren't that easily interchangeable as Goodhue's change revealed. Of course it is made worse at the Blues as who knows who their top 10 is, even now, and the star BB purchase, was, to put it mildly, of academic value if he doesn't play.
At AB level, arguably, the leading 12 is a guy who doesn't want to play there and normally doesn't. (Perhaps ALB is in contention, but some have said he looks better at 13)..Not that different to Chiefs and Highlanders really. Since the Chiefs lost the world's greatest midfielder to the Euro they have chopped and changed ALB around to fit whoever else was playing that week. Highlanders have also found 12 a troublesome position to nail down and even the Saders have had to move Goodhue in one until injuries forced the hand of Haviili to play there and prove to be a success..
We simply don't have enough quality 12s which, in part, is due to it being a position that is at the whim of the coaching. Do they want a straight runner ala Laumape or a 2nd 5/8? Nonu was a freak in that he developed into a combo of both. Doesn't encourage many to specialise there. Most hedge their bets with being a 'centre'
We don't really have many 2nd 5/8s do we?
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@nzzp said in Blues 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Blues 2021:
At AB level, arguably, the leading 12 is a guy who doesn't want to play there and normally doesn't.
Charlie Ngatai?
No. He is the aforementioned 'world's greatest midfielder'
Wish we still had him in the mix.
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@bones said in Blues 2021:
@crucial said in Blues 2021:
Highlanders have also found 12 a troublesome position
Not quite true really, Highlanders found an excellent 12 and after finally getting him and his midfield partner into prime form, disappeared them.
Currently coaching his old school 1st XV.
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@bovidae said in Blues 2021:
@bones said in Blues 2021:
@crucial said in Blues 2021:
Highlanders have also found 12 a troublesome position
Not quite true really, Highlanders found an excellent 12 and after finally getting him and his midfield partner into prime form, disappeared them.
Currently coaching his old school 1st XV.
Not surprised he's got into coaching after seeing the shit show that got one of the top jobs last year.
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ALB is the best 12 in the country. Hands down. Outside him for the All Blacks we have a ton of options in Goodhue, Ennor, PUJ and Ioane. In a 23 either Goodhue provides cover for 12 as the starting 13, or off the bench, or we have the impact of Laumape off the bench, or try Havili'i off the bench. It's not really that bad. Even Dallas McLeod has shown signs this season of settling into SR level and then potentially making the leap.