Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
That looked like a team that was poorly coached and poorly prepared.
It's the mental attitude and senior player leadership which seems the problem for me and that's been going downhill for several years.
And I'm not sure if Foster is the one to sort that out.
Maybe, but there is also no structure or cohesion. The backline is a joke. Wtf was that move with JB?
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The penalty against Jordie for the ‘no arms charge down’ is an absolute joke.
God that’s a shocking call!
They’ve gotta play these ‘foul play’ replays at full speed, you could find an offence in every contact if you slow it down enough.
Gardner = fluffybunny
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
That looked like a team that was poorly coached and poorly prepared.
It's the mental attitude and senior player leadership which seems the problem for me and that's been going downhill for several years.
And I'm not sure if Foster is the one to sort that out.
Maybe, but there is also no structure or cohesion. The backline is a joke. Wtf was that move with JB?
Can understand a lack of structure and cohesion at times if there's a new game plan being developed.
I just don't see a game plan being developed...
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@Gunner said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
The penalty against Jordie for the ‘no arms charge down’ is an absolute joke.
God that’s a shocking call!
They’ve gotta play these ‘foul play’ replays at full speed, you could find an offence in every contact if you slow it down enough.
Gardner = fluffybunny
That was very poor, but they did miss the clear tackle in the air BB made and we got away with it. I think we would have lost with any referee today.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
That looked like a team that was poorly coached and poorly prepared.
It's the mental attitude and senior player leadership which seems the problem for me and that's been going downhill for several years.
And I'm not sure if Foster is the one to sort that out.
Maybe, but there is also no structure or cohesion. The backline is a joke. Wtf was that move with JB?
Can understand a lack of structure and cohesion at times if there's a new game plan being developed.
I just don't see a game plan being developed...
JB aimless kicks down the middle really confuse me, surely that is not a tactic.
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@chimoaus said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
@Gunner said in Argentina One: Parramatta, 14 November:
The penalty against Jordie for the ‘no arms charge down’ is an absolute joke.
God that’s a shocking call!
They’ve gotta play these ‘foul play’ replays at full speed, you could find an offence in every contact if you slow it down enough.
Gardner = fluffybunny
That was very poor, but they did miss the clear tackle in the air BB made and we got away with it. I think we would have lost with any referee today.
Missed that, or is it still to come? (I’m only just watching)
But to be fair I’m spending 95% of my time looking at my phone rather than watching us lose.
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The problem here without doubt is leadership. We are talking players and coaching staff.
The team has enough talent Whitelock, Sotutu, Smith, Mounga, Barrett, ALB, Ioane, Clarke ... Its fine.You see it in all teams, all companies. Great leaders can nearly polish a turd. Great leaders make people want to be there.
At the top being nice isnt enough you need leadership.Our best bet is probably break dancing. Thought this months back. Could be a painful 18 months.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel the move was ok the execution was poor - basic 2nd man play with JB coming from the blind. Was the pass too fast? Was Jordie off with his timing? Did Mounga throw it to the wrong spot? Just too many mistakes. If you bench Scott Barrett las week then you should bench Dane Coles (discipline) Codie Taylor, Richie Mounga, Jordie Barrett, Reiko Ioane, Shannon Frizell for shit execution.
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How to beat the All Blacks.
Turn the ball over only 3 times, miss only 7 tackles, allow 1 clean break, concede only 8 penalties, always kick the ball out and not into open field. Restrict NZ to 126 run metres.*In comparison the Wallabies turned it over 19 times in Sydney.
On reflection Argentina had the perfect game plan and executed it perfectly, full credit to them.
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All of the concerns about selections and game plan really came to a head in this match. Argentina just watched the RWC semi and replicated what England did in the hope we hadn't learnt anything from that, which was evident in the way we've played this year.
We had no answers and once again just relied on individual brilliance to try and get us out of a hole. That doesn't work against an organised defense these days, you have to actually do some hard work to create a bit of space for the likes of Clarke and Beauden.
I still can't get my head around Foster getting the top job when we have blokes like Rennie and Robertson in the mix. You just cannot tell me Robertson wouldn't get more out of this group of players than Foster. Honestly the mind boggles.
Anyway some further random thoughts:
- the loose trio mix is just so obviously wrong it hurts. Akira, Cane, Sotutu. End of story. Idiot selections.
- as above we actually need to pick players that can match up physically in the early exchanges. And then implement a game plan around that; we are simply not going to win the game in the first 40, we should be setting the foundation with good aggressive forward play to generate space for our backs later in the game. This is just rugby 101 surely.
- Cane is a bloke you would follow into the trenches, but his decision making has left a lot to be desired so far. The quick tap Weber took was a stupid play, but he was getting no direction from the captain. I still think he's the right man for the job but he has a bit to learn.
- Mo'unga again struggled and made errors when under pressure. It's a recurring theme with him unfortunately. A rock star on the front foot or in broken play, but against a well organised and aggressive defense he becomes a possum in the headlights.
There's not actually much more to be said about this game that hasn't been said in the previous weeks. The All Blacks had gone stale under Hansen and we decided to go for continuity with Foster. It's going to be a rough couple of years to say the least.
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I'm not buying the notion that we can't field a team to win regularly. The rugby talent bit isn't a problem, surely. I've got no issues with the personnel in the playing squad. Good lads.
Now I can't decide if we are arrogant or dumb with the same old tactics we've dished up over about 3 and a bit years.
I've been convincing myself of the "powder dry" theory since 2017 and I've gone mad waiting for it.
There's nothing fucking there!?
Flat backline fucked over numerous times by rush defence.
After 3 back and fro's, put in a chip kick that 50% of the time results in a try saving tackle down the other fucking end!
Tons of one offs and 2 offs that barely reach the advantage- thanks hagrid.
Kicking so much goddamn ball away and not even having a Habana like chasing.
Never going one off from a ruck, (except chasing today when it worked!)
Never any audacious moves like that tana, Cully, jonah, pod , lineout extravaganza that time against yellow.
A single focussed reliance on a Dagg or a Reiko, or a Caleb to break a line and then support play makes it a winning strategy. Gets fucked over if old mate is determined to make his tackle - nevermind, "we'll shovel it along the other way and give Beaudy a chance against a set defence."
A visible lack of any ability to change a tactic and work a specific strategy for 10 minutes at least. Just when you know we must hang onto the ball, someone will " express themselves" and kick it. We'll get ball from a set piece and in two run of the mill phases we'll be back to shovel ball and relying on a missed tackle.
It's fucken turgid, and I'm sick of it.
I'm resigned to speaking like a cock - it's like those fluffybunnies, collectively, have little respect for the game. Trot out the same old shit and hope for the inevitable individual brilliance or, better yet, Laura to make the opposition try too hard.
I hate saying this but we play like we know everything about the game. Like we don't fully respect the game and all it's diversity. The Hanson/Foster way is outdated, too limited, but mostly, doesn't have Richie FUCKING McCaw in it!!!
The players are more than adequate.
We got done by a new coach making his own decisions and reinvigorating his team with a fresh enthusiasm. Our old coach is rehashing a failed strategy and the players are looking completely unenthused by all of it. Fuck we've looked bad over the last 2 weeks.
And the discipline?
Fuck me that must be a sign of a lack of focus and task clarity. That an organisation like the All Blacks can't work out face slaps and ruck supermans leaves me wondering what kind of a slack shit show is going on in these pampered facilities.
Totally schooled by the Argentinians on how to conduct yourself on a test rugby field!
The fucken shame in that!
The real question is how long do we have to pretend before we usher in Scott as a breathe of fresh air and a new direction - with a fond departure to the 2015 win and the first test against the Lions in 2017.
I like you fozzie, and I greatly admired your play for Waikato, but mate somehow, you've used 5 games to fully show me your hand, and mate, you're bust!
Fuck this I'm getting drunk...where were you when the All Blacks looked like Southland...?
