2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA
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You could read it that way I suppose!
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@catogrande said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@bones said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
Geez has Davies form dropped that much that he can't even make the squad and Daly is the starting centre?
I would always start Daly over Davies at centre, based mainly on the fact that Davies is a scrum half, plus he has not been playing very well. But this could be my English bias talking.
And a damn fine halfback he is too.
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@mikethesnow said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@catogrande said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
Can't see it. Most glaring omission is Adams, so unless he's copped an injury, that selection is fucked. No Faletau or Simmonds? Nah. Lawes warrants a bench spot but no more. Owens is firmly third choice hooker in anyone's eyes.
I will buy* you a virtual beer if that is the side.
*Meaning that in reality I will do nothing of the sort. This is what virtual means in this instance.
I'll spill it if I'm right
Been written as fait accompli. Wonder if SA holding back top props has influenced bench.
Of the 23, surprised Van de Merwe for Adams, six man forwards bench, and AWJ risked. Rest of calls fairly marginal.
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@bones said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@catogrande said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@bones said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
Geez has Davies form dropped that much that he can't even make the squad and Daly is the starting centre?
I would always start Daly over Davies at centre, based mainly on the fact that Davies is a scrum half, plus he has not been playing very well. But this could be my English bias talking.
And a damn fine halfback he is too.
Oh that Davies. Of course there are many of them. Just the one in SA though. Or did you not see the original squad selection?
Seriously though, Daly is a bloody good 13 but Eddie has tried to shoehorn him in on the wing (OK) and at full back but he won’t be a full back as long as his arsehole points downwards.
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@catogrande said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
Or did you not see the original squad selection?
I take it you kinda skim read my post. You know, the one where I queried about his exclusion from the squad...
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@bones said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@catogrande said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
Or did you not see the original squad selection?
I take it you kinda skim read my post. You know, the one where I queried about his exclusion from the squad...
Not at all. I just assumed that as you were so far behind the times you were just as likely to be behind the curve. 😁
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@bovidae said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
So Murray became tour captain but then not good enough to start the tests? OK, his form hasn't been great but I would still expect him to start.
Faletau has looked good too, so would be my choice at no.8.
Scrum half is an area of concern for us. The main man (Murray) has really looked out of sorts and an in form Gareth Davies would be a Godsend, unfortunately we seem to have a woefully out of sorts Davies too. Ali Price who would have been most peoples fourth choice out of three has really stepped up though.
Fuck I hope he stays fit.
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@oompb said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
Springbok team to face the British & Irish Lions at Cape Town Stadium:
15 – Willie le Roux (Toyota Verblitz) – 62 caps, 60 pts (12t)
14 – Cheslin Kolbe (Toulouse) – 14 caps, 40 pts (8t)
13 – Lukhanyo Am (Cell C Sharks) – 15 caps, 15 pts (3t)
12 – Damian de Allende (Munster) – 47 caps, 30 pts (6t)
11 – Makazole Mapimpi (Cell C Sharks) – 14 caps, 70 pts (14t)
10 – Handré Pollard (vice-captain – Montpellier) – 49 caps, 465pts (6t, 78c, 89p, 4d)
9 – Faf de Klerk (Sale Sharks) – 30 caps, 20 pts (4t)
8 – Kwagga Smith (Yamaha Júbilo) – 7 caps, 5 pts (1t)
7 – Pieter-Steph du Toit (DHL Stormers) – 56 caps, 25 pts (5t)
6 – Siya Kolisi (captain – Cell C Sharks) – 51 caps, 30 pts (6t)
5 – Franco Mostert (Honda Heat) – 40 caps, 5pts (1t)
4 – Eben Etzebeth (Toulon) – 86 caps, 15 pts (3t)
3 – Trevor Nyakane (Vodacom Bulls) – 43 caps, 5 pts (1t)
2 – Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Stormers) – 37 caps, 40 pts (8t)
1 – Ox Nché (Cell C Sharks) – 2 caps, 0 ptsReplacements:
16 – Malcolm Marx (Kubota Spears) – 34 caps, 30 pts (6t)
17 – Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers) – 48 caps, 5pts (1t)
18 – Frans Malherbe (DHL Stormers) – 39 caps, 5pts (1t)
19 – Lood de Jager (Sale Sharks) – 45 caps, 25 pts (5t)
20 – Rynhardt Elstadt (Toulouse) – 2 caps, 0 pts
21 – Herschel Jantjies (DHL Stormers) – 11 caps, 25 pts (5t)
22 – Elton Jantjies (Pau) – 38 caps, 283 pts (2t, 63c, 49p)
23 – Damian Willemse (DHL Stormers) – 7 caps, 5pts (1t)Pretty good continuity, esp in the starting backs!
FB 15 Willie le Roux
RW 14 Cheslin Kolbe
OC 13 Lukhanyo Am
IC 12 Damian de Allende
LW 11 Makazole Mapimpi
FH 10 Handré Pollard
SH 9 Faf de Klerk
N8 8 Duane Vermeulen
BF 7 Pieter-Steph du Toit
OF 6 Siya Kolisi (c)
RL 5 Lood de Jager
LL 4 Eben Etzebeth
TP 3 Frans Malherbe
HK 2 Bongi Mbonambi
LP 1 Tendai MtawariraReplacements:
HK 16 Malcolm Marx
PR 17 Steven Kitshoff
PR 18 Vincent Koch
LK 19 RG Snyman
LK 20 Franco Mostert
FL 21 Francois Louw
SH 22 Herschel Jantjies
CE 23 François Steyn -
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@arhs said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
If Lions pick is true only Lawes selection surprises me and I would have started Watson. Boks starting front row is the big surprise there
VDM turns like a truck, I think he'll be a liability Vs SA wings, and Kwagga!
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WTF is up with Elstadt selection? I swear there at least 20 loose forwards who would have been better. He's slow, I'll-disciplined and without any descernable upside. Utterly rubbish rugby player.
The frontrows seem to be wrong way round - the more dynamic props starting with the stronger scrummagers on the bench. I'm a fan of Nche, but starting against the Lions with only two caps to your name is a big ask. Nyakane is inconsistent, let's hope he has one of his good games.
Not sure about Jantjes on the bench either. I actually rate him higher than most, but he only works if the game plan suits him and can't see South Africa playing a game plan that will suit his skills.
Super happy for Willemse though, he has worked very hard on his game over last couple years and really deserves the chance.
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@machpants to be fair we haven't had an opportunity to bring in new players since 2019. Ideally we would have found a replacement for a guy like Le Roux, but we have not had the chance to try anything new.
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@catogrande said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@bones said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@catogrande said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
Or did you not see the original squad selection?
I take it you kinda skim read my post. You know, the one where I queried about his exclusion from the squad...
Not at all. I just assumed that as you were so far behind the times you were just as likely to be behind the curve. 😁
You know I like to get right behind the curve. Best spot.
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@catogrande said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@bovidae said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
So Murray became tour captain but then not good enough to start the tests? OK, his form hasn't been great but I would still expect him to start.
Faletau has looked good too, so would be my choice at no.8.
Scrum half is an area of concern for us. The main man (Murray) has really looked out of sorts and an in form Gareth Davies would be a Godsend, unfortunately we seem to have a woefully out of sorts Davies too. Ali Price who would have been most peoples fourth choice out of three has really stepped up though.
Fuck I hope he stays fit.
I hear Davies goes ok.
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@oompb Dankie oom, dit gaan goed.
I feel really sorry for Vermeulen, at 35 this was going to be his last dance and he was in phenomenal form before his injury.
Another guy that I feel for Gelandt, I rate him very highly and this could have been the series where took over the fullback jersey.
I am a little angry at RG Snyman for getting himself injured in such a stupid way, he could have been a real point of difference between the teams.
Other than Le Roux I don't see any retirements in this squad and we should (with a couple tweaks here and there) be able to take this team through to 2023.
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@bones said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@catogrande said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@bovidae said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
So Murray became tour captain but then not good enough to start the tests? OK, his form hasn't been great but I would still expect him to start.
Faletau has looked good too, so would be my choice at no.8.
Scrum half is an area of concern for us. The main man (Murray) has really looked out of sorts and an in form Gareth Davies would be a Godsend, unfortunately we seem to have a woefully out of sorts Davies too. Ali Price who would have been most peoples fourth choice out of three has really stepped up though.
Fuck I hope he stays fit.
I hear Davies goes ok.
And Jones and Roberts, not to mention Edwards.
