All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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@Stargazer I would...
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@Tim said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
- Ian Foster
Eight years as Steve Hansen's right hand man hands Foster the argument for continuity, one that has worked for the All Blacks since 2008.
Chance of being involved: Highly likely
The All Blacks have been on the slide since the peak of 2015. I was rather hoping that the losses to Ireland, the Lions, the recent thrashing by the Aussies etc, the narrowing of the gap by the Boks had been remedied by the RWC. Dry powder and all that.
But they hadn't fixed the problems, and our direction will continue downwards if we go with the "continuity" candidate. Why anyone would be happy with that is beyond me.
I recall Blackadder taking the reins at the Crusaders as a continuity candidate of a system that brought constant success -- except it didn't.
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@Stargazer said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Tim NZH is just guessing, so there could be others that have been invited. It's nightmare material, but they are not mentioning Hammett and Philpott, and I wouldn't exclude the possibility that they're on the "list".
I'd actually be pretty surprised if Hammer wasn't on the list.
He's a lot more popular with NZ Rugby than he is with, especially Hurricanes fans, the fern.
He won't get the Head Coach job, but I wouldn't discount the possibility of him getting a slot as forwards coach.
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@Chester-Draws Yeah - I agree with the premise. Mark Reason made a similar argument the other day about continuity at Liverpool FC - continuity worked until it didn't.
Though Toddy wasn't strictly the continuity candidate at the Crusaders. That would have been Hammer. Toddy coached in Scotland and then came to the Mako.
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@Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
What’s the money on a Fozzie/Cotter/Gibbes combo applying?
‘Money down the toilet’ odds...
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@Crucial I'm thinking Fozzie would be running with most of the current staff but, he'll need someone to replace himself.
If I'm being deadly serious, I'd probably favour Rennie getting the Head Coach job. It's probably now or never for Dave - whereas Razor especially and Jamie might get better over the next four years - but at least probably won't go over the hill.
If I'm talking dream teams - I'd like to see Rennie paired with Robbie Deans as attack coach. I don't think Robbie's aspiring (or saleable) to be Head Coach, but he's wandering round with vast IP. Then I think you need someone very human as the forwards coach and doing the PR - which could be Razor, but perhaps not immediately - bring him in in 2022 as part of a succession plan. Maybe Coventry in the meantime?
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@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Crucial I'm thinking Fozzie would be running with most of the current staff but, he'll need someone to replace himself.
Cron is gone too so, as I mentioned previously, the forward coach will be the most important appointment for all the aspiring AB coaches.
I would expect the coaching group to be:
Head coach
Forwards coach with maybe a specialist scrum coach
Attack/backs coach
Defence coachYou can also add in a skills coach.
No surprise that NZR wants the interviewees to have their coaching group sorted, especially if there is no crossover in their preferred assistants. It will show them who they can work with.
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@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Chester-Draws Yeah - I agree with the premise. Mark Reason made a similar argument the other day about continuity at Liverpool FC - continuity worked until it didn't.
Though Toddy wasn't strictly the continuity candidate at the Crusaders. That would have been Hammer. Toddy coached in Scotland and then came to the Mako.
Geez that's tough on crusaders fans eh, what could've been!
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@Bones said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Chester-Draws Yeah - I agree with the premise. Mark Reason made a similar argument the other day about continuity at Liverpool FC - continuity worked until it didn't.
Though Toddy wasn't strictly the continuity candidate at the Crusaders. That would have been Hammer. Toddy coached in Scotland and then came to the Mako.
Geez that's tough on crusaders fans eh, what could've been!
He's one of them, maybe the Hammer might have worked out better there. He wouldn't have had to change the culture for starters!!!
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@chimoaus and tony brown has played Foster and Robertson. Be interesting to see if they had backups already organised. I know foster went in with Brown and JJ as his assistants.
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@chchfanatic hadn't thought of that - Brown said he'd only work with Joseph - did he say as head coach?
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@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
If I'm talking dream teams - I'd like to see Rennie paired with Robbie Deans as attack coach. I don't think Robbie's aspiring (or saleable) to be Head Coach, but he's wandering round with vast IP.
Do we have any reference points for someone being in the Japanese club system for a long period and then coming back into SAANZAR or Home Union rugby?
I'm not dead against it (very envious of Warratahs getting Penny when the Blues should have been looking for a coach if they didn't go early) - but looking at the gulf of talent within playing rosters in Japan it does seem like tactically it could be a very "weak-link" type game over there; which doesn't translate at test level anymore.
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@chchfanatic said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I know foster went in with Brown and JJ as his assistants.
I didn't know anyone had "went in" already.
For Brown/JJ being 10-15 years into their coaching careers and being on the right side of 50 taking assistants roles and continue to develop under a more experienced coach could be the right move.
If it goes well; the NZRU have shown they will honour succession, and if things go badly there is still time/opportunity to come back (Smith, Mitch if he had wanted IMO).
It would need to be from the Gatland/Schmidt/Foster/Rennie cohort and for different reasons none of those three are available or the obvious fit.
Did Rennie and Joseph cross paths at the back end of his Wellington run I wonder? Rennie-Joseph-Brown would be pretty bloody good.
