All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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@Chester-Draws Yeah - I agree with the premise. Mark Reason made a similar argument the other day about continuity at Liverpool FC - continuity worked until it didn't.
Though Toddy wasn't strictly the continuity candidate at the Crusaders. That would have been Hammer. Toddy coached in Scotland and then came to the Mako.
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@Crucial said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
What’s the money on a Fozzie/Cotter/Gibbes combo applying?
‘Money down the toilet’ odds...
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@Crucial I'm thinking Fozzie would be running with most of the current staff but, he'll need someone to replace himself.
If I'm being deadly serious, I'd probably favour Rennie getting the Head Coach job. It's probably now or never for Dave - whereas Razor especially and Jamie might get better over the next four years - but at least probably won't go over the hill.
If I'm talking dream teams - I'd like to see Rennie paired with Robbie Deans as attack coach. I don't think Robbie's aspiring (or saleable) to be Head Coach, but he's wandering round with vast IP. Then I think you need someone very human as the forwards coach and doing the PR - which could be Razor, but perhaps not immediately - bring him in in 2022 as part of a succession plan. Maybe Coventry in the meantime?
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@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Crucial I'm thinking Fozzie would be running with most of the current staff but, he'll need someone to replace himself.
Cron is gone too so, as I mentioned previously, the forward coach will be the most important appointment for all the aspiring AB coaches.
I would expect the coaching group to be:
Head coach
Forwards coach with maybe a specialist scrum coach
Attack/backs coach
Defence coachYou can also add in a skills coach.
No surprise that NZR wants the interviewees to have their coaching group sorted, especially if there is no crossover in their preferred assistants. It will show them who they can work with.
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@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Chester-Draws Yeah - I agree with the premise. Mark Reason made a similar argument the other day about continuity at Liverpool FC - continuity worked until it didn't.
Though Toddy wasn't strictly the continuity candidate at the Crusaders. That would have been Hammer. Toddy coached in Scotland and then came to the Mako.
Geez that's tough on crusaders fans eh, what could've been!
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@Bones said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
@Chester-Draws Yeah - I agree with the premise. Mark Reason made a similar argument the other day about continuity at Liverpool FC - continuity worked until it didn't.
Though Toddy wasn't strictly the continuity candidate at the Crusaders. That would have been Hammer. Toddy coached in Scotland and then came to the Mako.
Geez that's tough on crusaders fans eh, what could've been!
He's one of them, maybe the Hammer might have worked out better there. He wouldn't have had to change the culture for starters!!!
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@chimoaus and tony brown has played Foster and Robertson. Be interesting to see if they had backups already organised. I know foster went in with Brown and JJ as his assistants.
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@chchfanatic hadn't thought of that - Brown said he'd only work with Joseph - did he say as head coach?
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@Chris-B said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
If I'm talking dream teams - I'd like to see Rennie paired with Robbie Deans as attack coach. I don't think Robbie's aspiring (or saleable) to be Head Coach, but he's wandering round with vast IP.
Do we have any reference points for someone being in the Japanese club system for a long period and then coming back into SAANZAR or Home Union rugby?
I'm not dead against it (very envious of Warratahs getting Penny when the Blues should have been looking for a coach if they didn't go early) - but looking at the gulf of talent within playing rosters in Japan it does seem like tactically it could be a very "weak-link" type game over there; which doesn't translate at test level anymore.
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@chchfanatic said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
I know foster went in with Brown and JJ as his assistants.
I didn't know anyone had "went in" already.
For Brown/JJ being 10-15 years into their coaching careers and being on the right side of 50 taking assistants roles and continue to develop under a more experienced coach could be the right move.
If it goes well; the NZRU have shown they will honour succession, and if things go badly there is still time/opportunity to come back (Smith, Mitch if he had wanted IMO).
It would need to be from the Gatland/Schmidt/Foster/Rennie cohort and for different reasons none of those three are available or the obvious fit.
Did Rennie and Joseph cross paths at the back end of his Wellington run I wonder? Rennie-Joseph-Brown would be pretty bloody good.
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@rotated Eddie Jones did 3 years at Suntory before moving up to Japan then England.
Test match currency might be a bit of an issue for Robbie, but he'd have five months to study to catch up if necessary. But, if we were to take e.g. Dave Rennie - I'd imagine he'd need to spend quite a bit of time studying differences between club and country as well.
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@taniwharugby said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
so is that coaching panel appointed to ensure Fozzie doesnt just walk it, or just appear that way if he gets the gig?
At this rate, they wont be done by Xmas!!
Spot on I reckon it is already decided but have to have transperency
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@rotated said in [Poll] Next All Black Coach:
If it goes well; the NZRU have shown they will honour succession, and if things go badly there is still time/opportunity to come back (Smith, Mitch if he had wanted IMO).
There are some areas where bodies have to respect previous decisions, because it enhances trust. You don't shit on your present sponsors because you know that will affect later potential partners' willingness to trust you.
But the people who are making the decision this year aren't bound to select the coach based on how previous panels decided. The panel are different people. The applicants are different people with different histories. The All Blacks are in a different situation from previous years.
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