TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98)
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@gt12 said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
The kicking has and will be a problem, and may be the losing of a game, but I don’t see how we’ll beat teams kicking penalties anyway.That's dangerously close to what Robbie Deans said in 2003. I think his words were, "Goal kicking won't be a point of difference".
I thought at the time that wasn't his sharpest observation.
Lots of scenarios where kicking the extra goal can prove crucial.
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@gt12 said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
I think we miss Dmac.
Him at 15 kicking goals, BB at 10, and RM off the bench, and we’d be far more dangerous (or any other combination that doesn’t involve Dmac starting at 10 as well).
Given the cattle we’ve got, I think we should start Barrett at 10, get Smith back to 15, and go full out attack. Bring Richie (and probably ALB, although it would be Laumape or Ennor in my team) off the bench with 20 to go, and try to run wild. The kicking has and will be a problem, and may be the losing of a game, but I don’t see how we’ll beat teams kicking penalties anyway.
If we do want to play Barrett at FB, then Smith’s position has to be under threat ala Mils in 2011. Luckily for Smith, Bridge was lost on defense, which may be his savior.
Hmm I don’t know. Dmac was a big part of the team last year and we sucked then too. If anything the loss of Dmac will force them to dial back the attack at all costs helter skelter style they looked to be going for last year. That style isn’t going to help stop all the handling errors that have been killing our attack.
RM-BB is a step in the right direction to a style that can win a RWC IMO. But it needs time to bed in because we wasted last season on BB-Dmac which was too far to one extreme and provided no variation. -
Interestingly and for some weird reason BB doesn't seem to have a problem when kicking in the second half of the season. He's been at or near 100% the past three tours I think. Maybe it won't be an issue but I obviously wouldn't bet the house on that.
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I don't think its some kind of a choice that we are not scoring tries. Lets look at the last 4 test quality games we have played, SA, Argentina, Ireland and England, off the top of my head I don't even know if we managed a try a game. 2015 I think we had a much more coherent attack but Carter's boot was still critical in the semi and final. My biggest dissapoinment with Bender is he looked like no chance to beat his man on the outside but I would still want him in the team a WC knockout match. 1st 3 names on backs teamsheet BB, Mounga and Bender.
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@Chris-B said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@gt12 said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
The kicking has and will be a problem, and may be the losing of a game, but I don’t see how we’ll beat teams kicking penalties anyway.That's dangerously close to what Robbie Deans said in 2003. I think his words were, "Goal kicking won't be a point of difference".
I thought at the time that wasn't his sharpest observation.
> Lots of scenarios where kicking the extra goal can prove crucial.
Every tight final, ever.
Two finals have been decided on drop-kicks. Last time it was only a drop kick got us home over the Boks in the semis.
The second last Cup it was a long range penalty by Beaver that won it for us.
Any team without an accurate goal-kicker and some drop goal ability is just waiting to be beaten in a tight game.
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@Chester-Draws said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Chris-B said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@gt12 said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
The kicking has and will be a problem, and may be the losing of a game, but I don’t see how we’ll beat teams kicking penalties anyway.That's dangerously close to what Robbie Deans said in 2003. I think his words were, "Goal kicking won't be a point of difference".
I thought at the time that wasn't his sharpest observation.
Lots of scenarios where kicking the extra goal can prove crucial.
Every tight final, ever.
Two finals have been decided on drop-kicks. Last time it was only a drop kick got us home over the Boks in the semis.
The second last Cup it was a long range penalty by Beaver that won it for us.
Any team without an accurate goal-kicker and some drop goal ability is just waiting to be beaten in a tight game.
The part I have bolded. It could be said of that the 2011 final - a partial reason it was so close was that Weepu left 8 points on the table in the first half - with his poor goalkicking that night. Not a criticism, we were down to like 4th choice 10s (6th choice if you count the self-exiled like Nick Evans and Luke McAllister) and an emergency goalkicker.
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The concerning thing is that BB as the senior player apparently decides who is going to kick, he or RM. I read early this morning that the only reason that BB asked RM to take over the kicking duties in the test against the Boks was because BB had cramp in his calf. What if he hadn't asked?
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@Chester-Draws Donald misses that kick, game restarts at 22, not half way...so you dont know what happens after that...maybe they restart, Read takes ball on full runs 30m to score...maybe they catch on full run 75m and score...
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while our defence has been very good in the past 2 games, on reflection v SA we gave up alot down the left wing, when both Ioane and Bridge were there, so I did wonder if it points more to whatever structure they are trying to play than both players finding themselves out of position a number of times?
I dont recall it being an issue v Argentina, but then we did play slightly differently again, either that or Rassie saw a weakness in our defensive structure there from that game?
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I think in 2015 bb played that impact player coming off the bench better than what we saw from dmac,
I think bb is still as good now as he was then , it’s a matter of utilising it,
I suspect and I might be wrong, starting rm might be a ploy of giving him extra minutes to get him ready, but they will revert back to bb starting at 10, rm to come on with bb to go back to 15 to change up the shape and style of attack
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@dejo said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
YES a criticism. Weepu had a corked hammy and they a) still played him and b) still had him taking kicks even though the brains trust and himself knew he wasn’t 100% fit.
WTF!!!!
My recollection was Weepu tweaked his hammy in warmups but didn't tell anyone. Had someone else taken those kicks, the French would've been out of the game and you wouldn't have the retards continuing to protest that they were robbed.
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@taniwharugby said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Donald misses that kick, game restarts at 22, not half way...so you dont know what happens after that...maybe they restart, Read takes ball on full runs 30m passes to a winger, it is intercepted and they score at the other end ...
Man, that's dark.
I prefer my version where our good kicker scores the three points though.
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Two things:
(1) The commentators said that BB's goal kicking success rate during super rugby was 79%. RM's was 77%.
(2) Gilbert rugby balls will be used at the RWC not Adidas balls. I remember Carter had a preference for one over the other. -
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@Bovidae said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Two things:
(1) The commentators said that BB's goal kicking success rate during super rugby was 79%. RM's was 77%.
(2) Gilbert rugby balls will be used at the RWC not Adidas balls. I remember Carter had a preference for one over the other.Good point. Rugby pass has discussed this (link below).
Richie has kicked well for the ABs so far (87% but only 15 attempts), but this season, Barrett was kicking better (81% according to rugbypass in comparison to 77%). Dmac was better than that though, with 86% (only 35 attempts, due to injury, but he was kicking very well). That percentage would make him up with the very best.
An inconvenient truth - The astounding difference in Beauden Barrett's goal kicking percentage based on ball brand
In exploring a left-field explanation for his up-and-down results, we looked at his goal-kicking statistics when considering the type of ball used and found an astounding difference.
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@Stargazer said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Bovidae RM changed his kicking routine during the season, which significantly increased his success rate. During the finals, his kicking success rate was 100%.
Yeah Richie was crap early, then 24/25 to finish up this season. Better last year too. He's the more reliable kicker.
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@Stargazer said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Bovidae RM changed his kicking routine during the season, which significantly increased his success rate. During the finals, his kicking success rate was 100%.
Another good point!
One interesting thing for me is that Richie kicks ridiculously well at home 85%, but not so well away (60%). Barrett is the opposite at about 85%.
That could be due to where tries are scored though! Also, the Saders take less penalty kicks too.
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@Stargazer said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@gt12 Rugbypass' stats are unreliable. Moreover, stats over a longer period of time don't take into account changes I was referring to in my previous post.
Rugbypass kick stats are the same - we're not talking tackles made here. But, to satisfy you, I've used other stats in my next post.
