Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?
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NOT Foster. I'm a f**cking Waikato boy as well. Anyone else. Anyone.
Schmidt. Rennie. Robertson. In that order, but not hugely fussed.
But NOT Foster. I've enjoyed the last decades of AB dominance, and want it to continue.
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@nepia said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
Want: Rennie and Robertson combo, I don't mind who is head coach.
Expect: Foster.
Don't really want despite the hype (because I have an elephant memory when I feel like it): Schmidt.
Edit: As I could only have one vote I picked Rennie.
I agree on all counts, the Chiefs in 2012/2013 and then Crusaders in 2017/2018 showed clear signs of superb coaching, and both had tremendous success with NZ U20s to boot
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Razor with Sir R Deans in the Fox role as selector
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Joe Schmidt (or Warren Gatland if he is unavailable) as Head Coach. They coach the international teams ranked two and three in the world so they know what they are doing.
In terms of assistants, Greg Feek looking after the Forwards, Scott Robertson looking after the breakdown and the defence, Ian Foster coaching the backs. Grant Fox to stay as a selector.
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Razor.
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@sparky said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
Joe Schmidt (or Warren Gatland if he is unavailable) as Head Coach. They coach the international teams ranked two and three in the world so they know what they are doing.
In terms of assistants, Greg Feek looking after the Forwards, Scott Robertson looking after the breakdown and the defence, Ian Foster coaching the backs. Grant Fox to stay as a selector.
I agree. Razor is the future but the head coach of a top tier test team is more about man management and overseeing the big picture than actual coaching. He needs the experience that Schmidt and Gatland have
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I haven't voted as unless something calamitous happens in Japan I'm certain it will be Foster. I can also find reasons not to pick any of the other contenders.
It does remind me of the collective Fern wisdom from 8 years ago. Hansen's going to be a disaster. He has no real head coaching experience apart from Wales and look how they went under him. He fucked up everything he touched in the AB's was just lucky to have Henry and Smith to tidy up after him. The media will destroy him. He has no personality. He'll undo all the good work of the last 4 years.......
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@rotated said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@tordah said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
and both had tremendous success with NZ U20s to boot
The 2016 Under 20's World Cup effort was the worst performance by one of our men's XVs at an IRB event.
Yep. Rennie was 3/3 with the U20s. Robertson is 1/2 and that 2016 U20s were terrible.
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@kirwan said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
If Schmit is unavailable then I’d go Robertson. Has had success at each level he’s had, and Blackadder showed that wasn’t a slam dunk just cause Crusaders.
Rennie without Wayne Smith would be a risk IMO.
Don’t want Gatland anywhere near the ABs.
This. I do wonder if Rennie and Robertson could be a good combo.
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@dogmeat said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
It does remind me of the collective Fern wisdom from 8 years ago. Hansen's going to be a disaster. He has no real head coaching experience apart from Wales and look how they went under him. He fucked up everything he touched in the AB's was just lucky to have Henry and Smith to tidy up after him. The media will destroy him. He has no personality. He'll undo all the good work of the last 4 years.......
To be fair in 2011 we didn't have the foresight that the the entire leadership group would kick on for the next four years, relatively injury free and playing consistently a high level.
After the final whistle at Eden Park McCaw needed major foot surgery, Carter had just torn his ACL which is career-altering and with the Euros were being thrown around it wouldn't have been a shock to see the midfield get broken up. In the end they all stayed and exceeded most expectations, and then Wayne Smith came back when it mattered.
If Japan goes pear shaped the post 2015 era will be looked at in retrospect as being a very average one which should have been a lot worse if Australia had their act together.
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@rotated said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@dogmeat said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
It does remind me of the collective Fern wisdom from 8 years ago. Hansen's going to be a disaster. He has no real head coaching experience apart from Wales and look how they went under him. He fucked up everything he touched in the AB's was just lucky to have Henry and Smith to tidy up after him. The media will destroy him. He has no personality. He'll undo all the good work of the last 4 years.......
To be fair in 2011 we didn't have the foresight that the the entire leadership group would kick on for the next four years, relatively injury free and playing consistently a high level.
After the final whistle at Eden Park McCaw needed major foot surgery, Carter had just torn his ACL which is career-altering and with the Euros were being thrown around it wouldn't have been a shock to see the midfield get broken up. In the end they all stayed and exceeded most expectations, and then Wayne Smith came back when it mattered.
If Japan goes pear shaped the post 2015 era will be looked at in retrospect as being a very average one which should have been a lot worse if Australia had their act together.
That a bit harsh isn't it? A quick look on ABs.com gives the following stats
2016-2018
Played 42
Won 36
Lost 5
Drew 1Win % 85.7%
Compare that to the career win percentages of all the AB coaches in the RWC era
Sir Brian Lochore 1985–87 18 14 1 3 77.8%
Alex Wyllie 1988–91 29 25 1 3 86.2%
Laurie Mains 1992–95 34 23 1 10 67.6%
John Hart 1996–99 41 31 1 9 75.6%
Wayne Smith 2000–01 17 12 0 5 70.6%
John Mitchell[170] 2002–03 28 23 1 4 82.1%
Sir Graham Henry[171] 2004–11 103 88 0 15 85.4%
Steve Hansen 2012– 95 84 3 8 88.4%So Hansen's % in the post 2015 era is still higher than the rest of the group. I believe it is unfair to judge him based on whether he wins the RWC or not, only 3 coaches on that list (including the man himself) have coached a winning RWC AB team
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@canefan said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
I believe it is unfair to judge him based on whether he wins the RWC or not, only 3 coaches on that list (including the man himself) have coached a winning RWC AB team
What if Hansen's trajectory as head coach is the same as John Hart's except twice as long?
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@rotated said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@canefan said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
I believe it is unfair to judge him based on whether he wins the RWC or not, only 3 coaches on that list (including the man himself) have coached a winning RWC AB team
What if Hansen's trajectory as head coach is the same as John Hart's except twice as long?
John Hart never won a RWC. Hansen never experienced a year like 1998 (IIRC?) When we lost. A lot
