Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?
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He's always been a crybaby tosser, but Gatland's behaviour during the Lions tour sealed the deal on whether I'd want him near the ABs. His ridiculous tanty about the Dan Carter incident was bad enough. There are plenty of good NZ coaches, don't need that twat involved.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
He's always been a crybaby tosser, but Gatland's behaviour during the Lions tour sealed the deal on whether I'd want him near the ABs. His ridiculous tanty about the Dan Carter incident was bad enough. There are plenty of good NZ coaches, don't need that twat involved.
I'm with you in regards to his conduct. He has got a petty side to his personality that I'm not that comfortable with
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Will Razor be selected with only domestic experience though? I'd say they'd probably plump for a coach with international coaching under his belt, with Razor as an assistant, and let him earn his spurs. In a similar way to Henry and Shag.
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@ShadowTrooper said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
Will Razor be selected with only domestic experience though? I'd say they'd probably plump for a coach with international coaching under his belt, with Razor as an assistant, and let him earn his spurs. In a similar way to Henry and Shag.
Maybe Gats might not even want the gig?So many variables to consider. If Shag wins the cup and Fozzie gets the top job, does he keep the other assistants or does he start again? The recent trend is to maintain stability throughout. If he chooses to bring in new people, could they be Razor and Gats? I'm not sure if it's Razor's time right now. He's still very young (not to say that should stop him getting the top job), he won't be harmed by gaining more experience at home or even abroad. Just not in the SANZAR region preferably
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@chimoaus said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
I wonder if Edwards comes as a package deal with Gatland. He seems to have been Gatlands right hand man for awhile.
Edwards going back to League.
Head Coach of Wigan.
Cancel that. Not going to Wigan now.
Unemployed after the WC.
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@sparky said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
According to a sauce who knew Gatland at Wasps, Gatland is highly likely to be the Chiefs coach next year.
That's the Super gig he always wanted. Good chance to get back in the NZ frame.
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@MiketheSnow said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@chimoaus said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
I wonder if Edwards comes as a package deal with Gatland. He seems to have been Gatlands right hand man for awhile.
Edwards going back to League.
Head Coach of Wigan.
Cancel that. Not going to Wigan now.
Unemployed after the WC.
Or maybe not....
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well the apparent success of O'Gara at the Canterbury team will have opened the door for other NH aspiring coaches to venture down here I expect.
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According to French media (L'Equipe), France are interested in Gatland becoming their new head coach, with Ronan O'Gara as a possible assistant.
Rugby World Cup 2019: Warren Gatland reportedly chased for France coaching job | Newshub
Warren Gatland will leave his Wales post after the Rugby World Cup.
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From the 1014 interview Gatland seemed pretty intent on returning to NZ. He has been away for a long time now and is not getting any younger. He has done all there is to do in the Northern Hemisphere you would think. What motivation apart from money does he have to coach England or France. I doubt he is short of a dollar so my money is on him returning to NZ either in the AB's or for the Chiefs.
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@Machpants said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
Pity we can't bring in Edwards as a "vs NH sides defence adviser" for the RWC!
Was impressed with Wales defence especially for the England and Ireland matches. Ireland never looked likely in the early stages despite spending a fair chunk of time camped on the Welsh line.
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@rotated I dont think there is any downside to have international experience. The only one I can see is that we are effectively saying you have to go and coach outside of NZ if you want to coach the ABs.
This has lead to the brain drain happening which is just as damaging than the player drain. It also means NZ IP is being introduced to other countries.
Would any current super rugby coach be in the role if Cotter, Gatland, schmidt Rennie, picav and Boyd, Joseph etc were available for coaching roles?
The answer is no, with the possible exception of Robertson.
Could we have kept all the above coaches? No but I dont see the point of ushering them out the door if you have ambitions of coaching the ABs.
On the flipside, gatland is surely a better coach now than if he stayed in NZ. The power has swung to the north and its a good thing for coaches to have experience in this environment.
However, when you consider that a lot of people think it is a done deal with Foster succeeding Hansen after the world cup then you have to ask what is the point of getting all this internation experience?
Sure, Foster has been an asst coach for an international team but has actually never been an international head coach. Perhaps Gatland etc should have stayed in NZ and taken a less demanding role of asst coach to land the big prize.
Plus there will be plenty of the above coaches who leave NZ and never come back to coach here
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@DaGrubster frankly the idea of Foz taking on the head coaching role scares me. He was poor with the chiefs, and it is one thing to be a good assistant, another entirely to be a head coach. For starters he will need to identify talent.....
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@canefan said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
@DaGrubster frankly the idea of Foz taking on the head coaching role scares me. He was poor with the chiefs, and it is one thing to be a good assistant, another entirely to be a head coach. For starters he will need to identify talent.....
I think it scares us all. No doubt he is a good rugby man but with the wealth of coaching talent that we have produced, surely something is wrong if Foster gets the gig.
I hope I am wrong but I cant see him lasting longer than 2 years if he is appointed. And, of course, that will be because of results being poor.
I do wonder that with so many coaches publicly stating they are unavailable or securing other coaching roles, effectively ruling them out, that it is a open secret that he has already got the nod.
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@DaGrubster said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
I do wonder that with so many coaches publicly stating they are unavailable or securing other coaching roles, effectively ruling them out, that it is a open secret that he has already got the nod.
Maybe it's because we haven't lost a RWC in 12 years but I think people are forgetting how things work when the ABs lose there. Public sentiment will be rabid and the record of the past four years will be viewed solely through the result of the RWC - it will not be pretty for Foster if they lose.
The penny will drop; coudn't beat the Lions, lost to Ireland for the first time ever (twice) and now bombed out of a RWC... no chance.
If you go by the bookies there is a 40-45% chance the ABs win this RWC. I suspect those are about Foster's chances of being appointed head coach on his own merits. If he is able to put together his own strong cartel - perhaps higher.
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@rotated said in Who does TSF want to be the next AB coach?:
If you go by the bookies there is a 40-45% chance the ABs win this RWC. I suspect those are about Foster's chances of being appointed head coach on his own merits. If he is able to put together his own strong cartel - perhaps higher.
Yeah, I reckon we're 50/50. So not far off the bookies.
With Foster, Wayne Smith jumped in unasked and said basically if you judge him on Super form, you don't accept that people can learn and grow. That, and I was not at all convinced that Hansen would make the step up to head coach from assistant. The role sometimes brings out the best in people.
All that said, I still get nervous about Foster as AB Head Coach. Am a little concerned just typing it
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I agree, the WC Result will largely dictate the outcome. If NZ win it would be hard to tell Foster he isn't right for the job. You can only hope his assistants are very good. Conversely if Wales or Ireland win you could imagine Gatland and Schmidts value goes up. It will be interesting for sure.
In Fosters defence, Hansen is no mug and must think highly enough for him to be in his team.
