Springboks V All Blacks
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@tewaio said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Such a frustrating game for 70mins. SBW and Crotty look oooooold and tired (which considering they're both injured 80% of the time is saying something). Think Mounga looks class and a proper 10, I've never been in the BB-to-fullback camp until today. Thought Scott Barrett was good, he might solve our 6 problems when BBBR comes back, think he's better than Squire. And Ardie has really stepped up, I thought he wasn't tight enough for test footy and glad to be proven wrong.
Think our best 23 one year out from RWC is:
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Moody
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Codie/Coles
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Franks
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BBBR
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Whitelock
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S Barrett
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Cane
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Read
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Smith
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Mounga
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Rieko
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ALB
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Goodhue
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B Smith
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B Barrett
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Codie/Coles
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Big Karl
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Ofa T
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Squire
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Ardie
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TJP
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SBW/Crotty, whoever is fit
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DMac
How on earth can our best 23 be one that is completely experimental and never been seen before?
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The biggest positive from this game and the Wellington game is that we completely dominated the last 10 - 15 minutes. That's where tests are won and lost - from an opposition POV I'd be pretty nervous about a gameplan that includes hanging on for dear life for the final stanza in the hope we won't score.
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@no-quarter said in Springboks V All Blacks:
The biggest positive from this game and the Wellington game is that we completely dominated the last 10 - 15 minutes. That's where tests are won and lost - from an opposition POV I'd be pretty nervous about a gameplan that includes hanging on for dear life for the final stanza in the hope we won't score.
Yep, and how far in front do you need to be? 17 points wasn't enough; 12 points with 6 to go (I think?) wasn't enough... Laura Aura is back baby
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I still want to see Goodhue paired with SBW. Sonny has a couple of lapses in D, but so did the whole bloody team. But I think those two have a lot of potential together.
I much prefer Crotty at 2nd 5, and think that he's not doing as well at 13 as he has in the past. ALB is looking like the Crotty replacement imo as he can handle both 12 and 13, but unsure if he's usurp Crotty before the WC.
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I think a lot of panic here, lets not rush but take a deep breath. We have had numerous close games going back to 2011 (the start of our domination) so its not like we have not won games like this before when Richie, Nonu etc played...we also laid into them.
The All Blacks are a team that everyone lifts for so our record is truely remarkable with that in mind, we won and I'm not sure if we played that bad. Think of it this way, SA had 67% of ball!!! if we had that what would score have been. I will reserve judgement however until NH tour, this is our WC test.
In saying that I would like to see some options emerge, for me it is adding a more dynamic ball running forward or two, that could be on the bench role or starting. With squire and BBBR back that adds to it along with Coles (who I reckon is done probably). Does Ofa start? Is it time to see what Akira offers??? can Tuipolotou keep bench spot. As for backs I would try Mounga and Barrett in backs, i think this could be devastating for us.Backs to try out on NH tour
Smith
Mounga
SBW
Goodhue
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Iaone
Barrettres
TJP
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@steven-harris said in Springboks V All Blacks:
With Sam Cane gone for the season,I can possibly see 3 candidates that stand out
Dylan Hunt
Blake Gibson
James LentjesBut I would not be the least surprised If they went straight past these 3 and went for Dalton Papalii.
Gareth Evans. And geezus, absolutely not Lentjes. He's awful. Gibson is injured.
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@mn5 said in Springboks V All Blacks:
It cracks me up how someone about 188cm or 6 foot 2 like McCaw, Messam, Cane, Savea or whoever is considered 'short' yet pretty much anyone over is considered 'tall'
Yeah - but, stand next to someone who is two inches taller than you and they're significantly taller.
McCaw is listed at 187cm and Read is 193cm on the AB website - photos can be deceptive but there's plenty of these two on the internet and you struggle to find one where Richie looks taller - I reckon this one is a pretty reasonable representation.
But, the real difference in my view is when these guys have to match up against someone who's taller. Put Read against a 197cm lock in a lineout and he's got a chance of being competitive - Richie might as well be the little bald guy from Benny Hill!
Same thing applies with weight in my view. A 90kg centre might not seem that much smaller than a 95kg centre - but when they come to tackle a 100kg centre - the littler guy is giving away significant bulk.
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Hansen (and Henry before him) have constantly beaten the "You can't beat experience in the big games" drum, so I reckon the chances of them heading to RWC with their first choice starting XV including all of Mo'unga, ALB, Goodhue and Rieko is about nil.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Just watched the game. After almost 15 years on this site I should have realised that the hysterical posts and opinions here almost always have little resemblance to the actual game that is played.
Piss poor tackling and ball retention were the problem.
Try watching it sober this time
Follow your own advice.
Soooo, no dramas then? Just make a cpuple of tackles and hold a bit of ball and it's golden? Really?
Yes really. Or are tackles and ball retention no longer important in rugby?
they are the most important things!! and you made them sound trivial. And they weren't the only issue, not by a long shot.
The response to pressure by certain players was far from ideal.
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@98blueandgold said in Springboks V All Blacks:
... SA had 67% of ball!!! if we had that what would score have been.
36 - 34 to South Africa like in Welly?
(But I do a agree with your point.)
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I think a telling indicator from the MoTM thread is Sam Whitelock has zero votes. In the absence of BBBR we have really needed him to stand up, but he has not risen to the occasion. Sam is a very very good lock, but jesus he's had a workload this year, the bloke looks like he needs a couple of months off.
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@mariner4life I was thinking the same thing while watching the game. Whitelock's workload will need to be managed on the EOYT because there can't be much petrol left in the tank. I expect he'll only play Bled III and the English and Irish tests while a fresh BBBR gets more time on the field. A big chance for Tuipulotu to step up in those other games.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Just watched the game. After almost 15 years on this site I should have realised that the hysterical posts and opinions here almost always have little resemblance to the actual game that is played.
Piss poor tackling and ball retention were the problem.
Try watching it sober this time
Follow your own advice.
Soooo, no dramas then? Just make a cpuple of tackles and hold a bit of ball and it's golden? Really?
Yes really. Or are tackles and ball retention no longer important in rugby?
they are the most important things!! and you made them sound trivial. And they weren't the only issue, not by a long shot.
The response to pressure by certain players was far from ideal.
No I didn't. Not in the slightest.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Just watched the game. After almost 15 years on this site I should have realised that the hysterical posts and opinions here almost always have little resemblance to the actual game that is played.
Piss poor tackling and ball retention were the problem.
in that case i have no idea what this post means.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Just watched the game. After almost 15 years on this site I should have realised that the hysterical posts and opinions here almost always have little resemblance to the actual game that is played.
Piss poor tackling and ball retention were the problem.
in that case i have no idea what this post means.
Where did I trivialise those aspects? I didn't. Quit while you're behind.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Just watched the game. After almost 15 years on this site I should have realised that the hysterical posts and opinions here almost always have little resemblance to the actual game that is played.
Piss poor tackling and ball retention were the problem.
in that case i have no idea what this post means.
Where did I trivialise those aspects? I didn't. Quit while you're behind.
well try replying in more than one fucking sentence.
What. Does. Your. Post. Mean.
Why were people over-dramatising the performance in your opinion?
And for god's sake stop treating the forum like a game that has to be won.
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