Springboks V All Blacks
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@mn5 said in Springboks V All Blacks:
It cracks me up how someone about 188cm or 6 foot 2 like McCaw, Messam, Cane, Savea or whoever is considered 'short' yet pretty much anyone over is considered 'tall'
Yeah - but, stand next to someone who is two inches taller than you and they're significantly taller.
McCaw is listed at 187cm and Read is 193cm on the AB website - photos can be deceptive but there's plenty of these two on the internet and you struggle to find one where Richie looks taller - I reckon this one is a pretty reasonable representation.
But, the real difference in my view is when these guys have to match up against someone who's taller. Put Read against a 197cm lock in a lineout and he's got a chance of being competitive - Richie might as well be the little bald guy from Benny Hill!
Same thing applies with weight in my view. A 90kg centre might not seem that much smaller than a 95kg centre - but when they come to tackle a 100kg centre - the littler guy is giving away significant bulk.
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Hansen (and Henry before him) have constantly beaten the "You can't beat experience in the big games" drum, so I reckon the chances of them heading to RWC with their first choice starting XV including all of Mo'unga, ALB, Goodhue and Rieko is about nil.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Just watched the game. After almost 15 years on this site I should have realised that the hysterical posts and opinions here almost always have little resemblance to the actual game that is played.
Piss poor tackling and ball retention were the problem.
Try watching it sober this time
Follow your own advice.
Soooo, no dramas then? Just make a cpuple of tackles and hold a bit of ball and it's golden? Really?
Yes really. Or are tackles and ball retention no longer important in rugby?
they are the most important things!! and you made them sound trivial. And they weren't the only issue, not by a long shot.
The response to pressure by certain players was far from ideal.
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@98blueandgold said in Springboks V All Blacks:
... SA had 67% of ball!!! if we had that what would score have been.
36 - 34 to South Africa like in Welly?
(But I do a agree with your point.)
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I think a telling indicator from the MoTM thread is Sam Whitelock has zero votes. In the absence of BBBR we have really needed him to stand up, but he has not risen to the occasion. Sam is a very very good lock, but jesus he's had a workload this year, the bloke looks like he needs a couple of months off.
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@mariner4life I was thinking the same thing while watching the game. Whitelock's workload will need to be managed on the EOYT because there can't be much petrol left in the tank. I expect he'll only play Bled III and the English and Irish tests while a fresh BBBR gets more time on the field. A big chance for Tuipulotu to step up in those other games.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Just watched the game. After almost 15 years on this site I should have realised that the hysterical posts and opinions here almost always have little resemblance to the actual game that is played.
Piss poor tackling and ball retention were the problem.
Try watching it sober this time
Follow your own advice.
Soooo, no dramas then? Just make a cpuple of tackles and hold a bit of ball and it's golden? Really?
Yes really. Or are tackles and ball retention no longer important in rugby?
they are the most important things!! and you made them sound trivial. And they weren't the only issue, not by a long shot.
The response to pressure by certain players was far from ideal.
No I didn't. Not in the slightest.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Just watched the game. After almost 15 years on this site I should have realised that the hysterical posts and opinions here almost always have little resemblance to the actual game that is played.
Piss poor tackling and ball retention were the problem.
in that case i have no idea what this post means.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Just watched the game. After almost 15 years on this site I should have realised that the hysterical posts and opinions here almost always have little resemblance to the actual game that is played.
Piss poor tackling and ball retention were the problem.
in that case i have no idea what this post means.
Where did I trivialise those aspects? I didn't. Quit while you're behind.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Just watched the game. After almost 15 years on this site I should have realised that the hysterical posts and opinions here almost always have little resemblance to the actual game that is played.
Piss poor tackling and ball retention were the problem.
in that case i have no idea what this post means.
Where did I trivialise those aspects? I didn't. Quit while you're behind.
well try replying in more than one fucking sentence.
What. Does. Your. Post. Mean.
Why were people over-dramatising the performance in your opinion?
And for god's sake stop treating the forum like a game that has to be won.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
I think a telling indicator from the MoTM thread is Sam Whitelock has zero votes. In the absence of BBBR we have really needed him to stand up, but he has not risen to the occasion. Sam is a very very good lock, but jesus he's had a workload this year, the bloke looks like he needs a couple of months off.
Sam W was one of the few starters I considered giving my final vote for. I recall some nice clean kick-off receipts in the second half. But I skipped over him and handed all 3 to subs.
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@rapido said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
I think a telling indicator from the MoTM thread is Sam Whitelock has zero votes. In the absence of BBBR we have really needed him to stand up, but he has not risen to the occasion. Sam is a very very good lock, but jesus he's had a workload this year, the bloke looks like he needs a couple of months off.
Sam W was one of the few starters I considered giving my final vote for. I recall some nice clean kick-off receipts in the second half. But I skipped over him and handed all 3 to subs.
his restart work was really strong. He took control of the long ones, and claimed the contested short ones.
Didn't get much traction on their lineout for a change, despite it being a bit creaky in execution (some very lenient adjudicating of straight throws helped that, on both sides). But it's his carrying and ruck work that looks to have suffered the most.
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@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Just watched the game. After almost 15 years on this site I should have realised that the hysterical posts and opinions here almost always have little resemblance to the actual game that is played.
Piss poor tackling and ball retention were the problem.
in that case i have no idea what this post means.
Where did I trivialise those aspects? I didn't. Quit while you're behind.
well try replying in more than one fucking sentence.
What. Does. Your. Post. Mean.
Why were people over-dramatising the performance in your opinion?
And for god's sake stop treating the forum like a game that has to be won.
I'm not responding to that. Stop acting like a cnut.
dude, seriously. I'm trying to get your opinion on the performance, and you just won't provide anything!
What more do you want ffs? Some shocking missed tackles led to tries and the ball security was terrible. Want me to go through it minute by minute? Seriously, what is your problem?
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@mariner4life said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Springboks V All Blacks:
Just watched the game. After almost 15 years on this site I should have realised that the hysterical posts and opinions here almost always have little resemblance to the actual game that is played.
Piss poor tackling and ball retention were the problem.
in that case i have no idea what this post means.
Where did I trivialise those aspects? I didn't. Quit while you're behind.
well try replying in more than one fucking sentence.
What. Does. Your. Post. Mean.
Why were people over-dramatising the performance in your opinion?
And for god's sake stop treating the forum like a game that has to be won.
I'm not responding to that. Stop acting like a cnut.
dude, seriously. I'm trying to get your opinion on the performance, and you just won't provide anything!
What more do you want ffs? Some shocking missed tackles led to tries and the ball security was terrible. Want me to go through it minute by minute? Seriously, what is your problem?
forget it.
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@rancid-schnitzel amazing how the ball retention improved when Mo'unga went to 10 and BB went to 15.
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@kiwimurph said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel amazing how the ball retention improved when Mo'unga went to 10 and BB went to 15.
Yeah, instead of handing the ball to our washed up midfield he took the line on himself. Beauden should have done the same.
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@kiwimurph said in Springboks V All Blacks:
@rancid-schnitzel amazing how the ball retention improved when Mo'unga went to 10 and BB went to 15.
That's a piss take surely? Unless of course you want to blame BB for forwards knocking on the ball or AS deliberately passing into an opposition player. Maybe blame him for the missed tackles as well?
My criticism of BB would be that those kicks just aren't working. They were shit for the Canes and now shit for the ABs. The chase seems non-existent as well. Clearly these must be the tactics, but if these can't be executed then should be changed.
The thing is these are vastly different points of a game. Defences are tired and it's a completely different dynamic. It's hard to know how BB will be at 10 after 50-60 minutes because he's always shifted to fullback.
