All Blacks vs Boks
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Few initial thoughts:
Excellent from ABs. Last 30 much better.
Lima's passing is much more 'sympathetic' than BB's, which allows outsides to run onto ball much better.
How come Lion's lineout combo so much worse than when they gave Saders problems?
Dreyer is a canny prop. AB starting scrum nullified. He did same to Moody in Super final. Think there is quite a lot of dark art involved. Once Read had Nige looking at it things settled down. And by the time Crockett on it was game over.
Can't believe how anonymous Bok loosies were. Kolesi was the quietest I can remember.
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@Stargazer said in All Blacks vs Boks:
Not a fan of Devlin, but this tweet is spot on:
Two years ago ABs defeated Boks by 2 points in a RWC Semi; same Boks team was beaten by Japan by same point diff in group stage; ABs prob will put 80 on Japan, but, sure, why not? Ya never know. That's why they play the games.
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@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@reprobate said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Boks:
Thought NMS was pretty good. Not sure why everyone is down on him for lacking pace. As far as i can remember outright pace has never been his strength. It is his stepping, skill and awareness. He showed those tonight. Slowing up to give BB the ball was a much better option than trying to make it and getting run down.
Of our recent 14s only Naholo is known for having real gas. Not sure Dagg or Smith would have made it all the way for that try either.yeah he's a good player. he was okay tonight, and has never been quick.
pace is undeniably an asset though. naholo and ioane would have scored that themselves, while dagg and smith would have had the pace to get clear enough to put barrett in with one pass without the fucking around - which could easily have gone wrong.those saffa outside backs are fast admittedly - they probably make the case that pace alone is not enough.
Isn't the issue there that BB didn't have the pace/wasn't in the right position to be put away with a single pass? How would NMS being faster put BB away? He would be further behind NMS and in the same position relative to the chasers.
Nah, if Barrett made the intercept himself try time. If NMS was a bit quicker, then the pass can come later when barrett has more time to catch up / get into position / get clear of other chasers. It was the fact that several chasers were catching NMS that was the issue.
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That wasn't a test match, it was like playing a second tier nation. The Boks just gave away too much possession and missed their one on one tackles. The ABs D was very good and they appeared to have a limited attack.
The ABs were very good as a team and only Hames stood out for me as playing badly by giving away too many penalties and the dropped ball.
Some exceptionally good tries with finishing we were missing vs Lions.
I thought Cane was outstanding tonight, his relentless defence and his turnovers are truly impressive.
A Smith was again very good with his speed and vision. TJ again was good and seems to have reigned in his theatrics?
S Barrett is a very busy player and gave us another quality lineout option. I think he has probably cemented that bench spot. Perhaps Fifita and Barrett offer better bench cover than Savea.
Reiko is a special player who appears to just be a natural at this level. His combination of pace and strength is just incredible.
I also noticed our ruck defence appeared improved, the Boks appeared to try and run through the ruck a few times like Oz did with little success.
And finally I loved the speed and moves off the back of the lineout, that must be a nightmare to defend. Well played ABs.
I noticed one poster said Owens at a shocker? From my biased view I thought it was one of his best games, he was confident, explained every decision well and seemed to know what was going on at scrum time. The officiating at the ruck is always tricky, I can recall plenty of Boks doing their best impression of Superman flying over rucks off their feet.
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@No-Quarter said in All Blacks vs Boks:
Ah, yeah, sorry Jules but you're not getting that 11 jersey back. Rieko is un-fucking-believable.
Helps if your opponent is a turnstile
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@Higgins said in All Blacks vs Boks:
Have we ever down troued the Boks before? Beating them to nil has a nice ring to it.
According to Mr Lassen:
13-0, 1965, Carisbrook, Dunners
28-0, 1999, Carisbrook, Dunners
19-0, 2008, Newlands, Cape TownAaanddd ...
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@dingo said in All Blacks vs Boks:
I remember the bad old days when a line out against the boks, whether our ball or theirs, was a thing to watch with fear and trepidation.
This new shit bok lineout isn't much entertainment anymore.
Really? Quite enjoy it myself. Like a bit of comedy.
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@Higgins said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@Higgins said in All Blacks vs Boks:
Have we ever down troued the Boks before? Beating them to nil has a nice ring to it.
A quick search reveals that it has happened at least three times before
1921 00 - 00 @ Athletic Park
1965 13 - 00 @ Carisbrook
1999 28 - 00 @ CarisbrookThey have got us back three times as well
1921 00 - 00 in Wellington
1928 00 - 17 in Durban
1960 00 - 13 in JohannesburgWe are still on track to beat the highest winning margin at home of 33 (40 - 07 in Wellington) and the highest winning margin of 42 (57 - 15 last year in Durban)
Aah Higgybaby already onto it.
I filtered by wins so missed the nil all.
Add in Cape Town 19-0 though.
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@pukunui BB could have scored it, but I guess he thought NMS coulda got closer to posts than him....IF another wing is playing they don't anticipate the intercept to use thier pace to score.
Yes speed is great but isn't everything.
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@Bones said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@Stargazer I thought he actually played well, especially if you compare him on attack to Barrett - who I thought took some awful options.
Bones, you know there are some players you are not allowed to rate ...
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@pukunui BB could have scored it, but I guess he thought NMS coulda got closer to posts than him....IF another wing is playing they don't anticipate the intercept to use thier pace to score.
Yes speed is great but isn't everything.
NMS laboured to the corner when scoring his try though, seems to lack explosive pace
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@SidBarret said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@Bones I shouldn't be commenting right now.
The interpretation of all the "contact off the ball" calls was comically bad. Obstruction, clearing past the ball, continuing after the whistle and rolling away was in no way rugby.
Offside was not policed.
Inexperience of the springbok team brutally exposed though. A better side would have identified the gap being afforded by the ref, but the Springbok team failed to take advantage of the opportunity to spoil when it was clearly being allowed
Yeah. He was soft on the Boks huh?
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@Tim said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@booboo Not one complaint so far, I think?
I think he made a huge error in the Ioane try.
Where Smith took the quick tap from was a joke.
No wonder there was huge space to kick into if the ref allows an illegal quick tap, so quick not not even Nig nor Aaron's brain could successfully compute where the line of the offence was. What chance does the defensive wing/fullback have to mentally compute this and then plug the space.
This could almost be a copy and paste from one of my posts in the 'grind your gears thread'. It really grinds my gears.
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@Rapido where do you draw the line, some refs are so pedantic about being on the exact spot, you may as well remove the ability to take a quick tap.
IMO as long as you are behind it and within a few metres I don't have an issue.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Boks:
That Ofa fella has scrummed ok....
He always has, at test level.
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@taniwharugby said in All Blacks vs Boks:
@Rapido where do you draw the line, some refs are so pedantic about being on the exact spot, you may as well remove the ability to take a quick tap.
IMO as long as you are behind it and within a few metres I don't have an issue.
The only time you can take a quick tap, legally, is from an offence where ref can physically mark the spot. E.g. An offside penalty or from an offence where play has subsequently moved off the spot. This is ignored in the modern game, but in this Nig didn't even enforce the modern reffing cop-out of making Smith tap it in line with where we know the spot is going to be. It was panicked reffing, no wonder the defence wasn't in place.
Quick tap tries are usually shit, cheapened soft shit. At least that was the first good quick tap try I have ever seen.
The sport would be less complicated if played and refed to the rules. Rather than rules that apply only sometimes , it's like there are 2 layers of rules/laws in our sport.
