The Silver Fern

@antipodean said in 6N Wales v Italy:

@Catogrande hopefully he gets cited. The game would benefit immeasurably by preventing "waterboys" from entering the pitch. And penalizing substitutes who enter the field of play to celebrate a try.

A blight on the game and Neil Jenkins should have more respect for the games's ethos and the officials. Give Refs the power to award a penalty to the opposition at halfway to stamp out this crap.

@Machpants said in 6N Wales v France:

@MiketheSnow said in 6N Wales v France:

France by 2-6.

Sadly close to France by 26 😞

We gifted at least 14 points and momentum

@Daffy-Jaffy I really can't stand that Irish commentator. Not sure why, but he really grates me. No doubt, he's a massive Ireland fan and commentates exactly as one, but I don't have a problem with other countries commentators who do this (Oz, England, Safa).

I think he just commentates like Ireland are better at absolutely everything and the opposition should almost feel honoured to be allowed to play them.

Maybe it's just me.

@Bones said in 6N 2024 England v Wales:

@Dodge yeah but the ref shouldn't have to study Ford's kicking style. He stands and lines it up, then takes a step to the left, to what...line it up again? That's how most kickers begin their approach. If it quacks like a duck then go for it I say.

Yep, fair point.

@antipodean said in 6N 2024 Wales v Scotland:

@game_film agreed. Good leadership means having uncomfortable conversations.

Prolly also means having your players respect you enough to listen to your "clear instructions".

@antipodean said in Barbarians v Wales:

@sparky said in Barbarians v Wales:

Aumua back on after doing this.

Pfft. Only person who should be penalised is the bloke running at the defensive line without the ball.

I saw that and was confused as to why Ireland were wearing Red jerseys.

Finished 70-7. A blood bath.

@Toddy said in RWC QF: Wales v Argentina:

@Machpants Are you sure

https://passport.world.rugby/media/j5senlan/2303-update-head_contact_process_en.pdf

Looking at the process, and rewatching the incident, it seems pretty clear to me that Dickson shat the bed.

Law 20: Dangerous play in a ruck or maul.
A ) A player must not charge into a ruck or maul. Charging includes any contact made without binding onto another player in the ruck or maul.
B ) A player must not make contact with an opponent above the line of the shoulders.

So that's a clear "Yes" to the first 2 questions.

What was the degree of danger?
Well, it meets the direct contact, high speed, and dynamic criteria (and arguably some others). So that's RC territory.

Is there any mitigation?
Yup, Tompkins was falling. So that means it's downgraded to YC.

It's a fairly well defined process (whether you agree with it or not), so how the heck they came up with no penalty is a mystery for the ages.

@GibbonRib said in RWC Week 3: Wales v Australia:

@Rancid-Schnitzel

I don't think that was an unreasonable decision. At the time Folau gave RA assurances that he would abide by the code of conduct and wouldn't repeat his dickishness. She accepted his word, and was happy to give him another chance. Seems reasonable to me - maybe the value of the contract was too high, but that's pretty standard for ex-league wingers going to the Wallabies

That's an incredibly generous assessment. Completely disagree. It was a dumb thing to do and they got burnt badly. That's on her.

Robert Kitson in the Observer today:
“It was against the run of play, then, when the ball was moved wide right to Rees-Zammit who chipped ahead and regathered smoothly to put Wales on the board after nine minutes. The winger cheekily marked the moment with a Cristiano Ronaldo-style celebration which, predictably, did not go down terribly well with everyone present.”

Eventually got through the replay. Had about 8 goes at it over the week.

Upshot is I'm not completely pissed off at Carley.

I do think his errors favoured Wales, but don't think it was Paddy O'Brien / Wayne Barnes level fuck ups.

But they were fuck ups, and influenced the result.

Still struggling with his cards or lack thereof, and Quick Draw McGraw on the Fiji one. If it was worth a tallow it was worth a PT.

Couldn't find @MiketheSnow's knock on in that scrum that was penalised.

Upshot is I think Fiji can feel aggrieved.

@SidBarret said in RWC warmup - Wales v Springboks -:

@MiketheSnow would have a knock on in goal so a goal line kick off (based the SA v NZ game with the knock on call on Kolbe)

(The ref was playing advantage to SA in this instance so the question is academic)

Cheers

@Machpants said in RWC warmup - England v Wales:

The previous panel were fucking incompetent, it was always a shoulder charge, not tackle. Therefore no mitigation allowed, useless Ozzie fluffybunnies

Agreed. It seems to me that as a matter of consequence the three witless muppets constituting the panel should never be involved in rugby judicial processes again. Clearly couldn't understand what everyone else could read and understand regarding the law and process flowchart, and see with their own eyes when watching the footage. To have been hoodwinked into rescinding the card demonstrates they aren't fit for the role. Utterly, incomprehensibly, fucking useless.

Almost as bad is the appeal panel tying themselves in knots to let Farrell the Fuckstick an avenue into the RWC. Amateurs running (and ruining) a professional game.

@MiketheSnow

Looking at it short term, I sort of agree with you, in that if we made the SF it would be above immediate expectations. However, in truth, with our resources, a SF place should be a minimum. We have so much going for us, numbers, funding, support, but we seem to have this handbrake applied about 80% of the time and an acceptance that this is ok and “the done thing” 90% of the time. It ceased to be amusing some years ago.

@MiketheSnow

I'm not sure how feasible individual insurance would be for these guys. Going back to my days working in risk the issues with income replacement would be the work undertaken - ie how likely is an injury going to be and what are the potential consequences of an injury. For a rugby player the answers would be high and high. Add to that the payout would be linked to immediate pre-injury earnings and dictated by the length of contract, then for someone like Hawkins there would be no real safety net. Group risk - ie employer sponsored for the squad as a whole is much more feasible as the risk is spread - not everyone is going to get a career threatening injury. However this would again be limited to paying out the contract. A short term contract or no contract at all represents a huge risk for the individual. Less so for the club/region.

Wales best game of the tournament, but not enough to beat a strong and confident French team. N'tamack was sublime. Is he the world's best 1st Five ? Russell can be brillant but is rocks and diamonds. You rarely see N'tamack make blunders.

@MiketheSnow But where to now for Wales, Mike? Ok get players contracts/pay sorted, but after that? Coaches have already been swapped out. Some older players need to be dropped but not all. Wales is a proud rugby country. Need a new direction/thought pattern and fast.

@MiketheSnow said in Scotland v Wales 6N:

@pooler-fan said in Scotland v Wales 6N:

@Catogrande not seen anything of Jenkins but Costelow at the Scarlets also has serious potential at 10.
Not sure what position Bristol player Ioan Lloyd or his brother Jac will end up playing but are also very talented.
Wales haven't blooded enough new talent since the last RWC & it's now coming back to bite us.

Costelow is this year’s Colin Stephens

Now THAT is a brutal insult.