All Blacks 2024
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Bro, that sort of thing has been happening forever. Probably not with Brad Thorn I guess as he was a highly experienced professional when he came into the ABs, so he's hardly going to get a 'well done young man'.
I don't understand why you think that a compliment from an aging opposition star after playing him for the first time would stop Wallace from wanting to fuck him up next game. If he thinks like you it would certainly add motivation in that direction, and if he takes it as a genuine compliment and it gives him added confidence at test level that's good too. Kolisi is a veteran RWC winning captain and Sititi is in his first run-on start - the pedestal is there whether you like it or not, it's not created by him saying 'well done mate' - and all ambitious young men forever want to knock people off their pedestal.The likes of de Groot, Taylor, Aumua, Samisoni, Cane aren't really back-down guys if you ask me. Clearly you lose a bit of hard man mana when you lose Retallick and Whitelock, that's to be expected. I'm all for more mongrel, but I reckon it's lack of composure that's killing us, not that.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
Bro, that sort of thing has been happening forever. Probably not with Brad Thorn I guess as he was a highly experienced professional when he came into the ABs, so he's hardly going to get a 'well done young man'.
I don't understand why you think that a compliment from an aging opposition star after playing him for the first time would stop Wallace from wanting to fuck him up next game. If he thinks like you it would certainly add motivation in that direction, and if he takes it as a genuine compliment and it gives him added confidence at test level that's good too. Kolisi is a veteran RWC winning captain and Sititi is in his first run-on start - the pedestal is there whether you like it or not, it's not created by him saying 'well done mate' - and all ambitious young men forever want to knock people off their pedestal.The likes of de Groot, Taylor, Aumua, Samisoni, Cane aren't really back-down guys if you ask me. Clearly you lose a bit of hard man mana when you lose Retallick and Whitelock, that's to be expected. I'm all for more mongrel, but I reckon it's lack of composure that's killing us, not that.
Sentiments echoed by Hall and Parsons on Aotearoa rugby pod last night. They suggested that mongrel and anger in isolation weren't helpful and could lead to indiscipline and poor execution. I don't think it was mongrel that let us down. It's poor decision making and execution at the wrong times
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@Jet said in All Blacks 2024:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2024:
Why have the ABs become more beatable over the years? The IP has been given away to rivals who now know how to prepare for them.
In recent times:
Exhibit A - Joe Schmidt with Ireland.
Exhibit B - Gatland with the Lions.
Exhibit C - Tony Brown with the Boks
Erasmus: Understanding the All Blacks’ Mindset is Key to Springboks' Recent Success
Springboks coach Rassie Erasmus believes his South African side better understands the All Blacks' mentality.
Professionalism has negated the strengths NZ once had. Players and coaches go to the highest bidder. The ABs need to develop a new culture, a new DNA that binds the players, coaches and fans together again. Tricky spot to be in. I feel revolution is in the air, because evolution is not working.
That picture disgusts me.
They are cozying up and condescending in equal measure. It's all mind games. Like Kolisi saying he was "so proud of Ardie". It puts you on a pedestal above the person you're paying the compliment to.
I actually do like the Roy Keane style......he hates lads shaking hands in the tunnel before games and swapping shirts on the pitch after a bad loss etc. Youre supposed to be going into battle.
In the first test in Ellis park Rieko got bundled into touch unceremoniously by De Allende.
Rieko was flat on his back and stuck his hand up for De Allende to pick him up.
De Allende just left him there and strode off with flared nostrils and chest puffed out.We are carrying on like we are the little brother in the fight.
Sure grab a beer with your opposite number in the sheds, but this Kolisi shite of the arm round the shoulder of Sititi giving it the old "well done young man you played well, keep the head down and work hard and youll go places". its a load of nonsense. You should be trying to break his ribs every time he gets the ball.
They are killing us with kindness while the knife is in the back. You wouldnt see them pulling stunts like that with Brad Thorn or Jerome Kaino.
Its mans work out there and we need to step up.
Worth remembering that Ioane has acted like a bit of a tool on the field at times, that might be part of the reason
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Personally, I wouldn't necessarily expect a player to be helped up by the opposition. Never done in basketball for example. Congratulating each other on a good game once it's all done is an unrelated issue and speaks more to a general respect between the two teams.
I remember back in the Chieka Wallaby days (I think it was him??), he tried to instill a hatred of the ABs. It rarely worked
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@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Oh, get a grip. So Sotutu is now the finest player not to get selected and everyone else is a journeyman. I find it funny how by attacking another player from a rival team who doesn't even get selected as a No.8 is the main focus of the argument. Just so friggen stupid.
you are talking about EB?
Where would you rank him on his 2024 season against the other 6s and 7s?One of the most effective loose forwards in the comp in a dysfunctional team when playing. Hence pretty much every pundit outside this echo chamber putting his name in the mix.
Being made of glass and a lack of a body of work is a reasonable argument though...LOL, I call BS on this statement.
One of the busiest, sure, but effective, NFW!
He's there because he's the coaches pet and son of a mate and because the fan boys fawn over the few minutes he plays each season.
Should never have walked into the squad let alone starting given how few minutes he's played and how actually ineffective he is when he plays. Busy doesn't mean efffective.
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@RoninWC said in All Blacks 2024:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Oh, get a grip. So Sotutu is now the finest player not to get selected and everyone else is a journeyman. I find it funny how by attacking another player from a rival team who doesn't even get selected as a No.8 is the main focus of the argument. Just so friggen stupid.
you are talking about EB?
Where would you rank him on his 2024 season against the other 6s and 7s?One of the most effective loose forwards in the comp in a dysfunctional team when playing. Hence pretty much every pundit outside this echo chamber putting his name in the mix.
Being made of glass and a lack of a body of work is a reasonable argument though...LOL, I call BS on this statement.
One of the busiest, sure, but effective, NFW!
He's there because he's the coaches pet and son of a mate and because the fan boys fawn over the few minutes he plays each season.
Should never have walked into the squad let alone starting given how few minutes he's played and how actually ineffective he is when he plays. Busy doesn't mean efffective.
And just because some of us say Sotutu deserves a chance, that's all that means. He earned a chance, that is all. Funny how the EB fanbois immediately conclude that we are saying he is the second coming. Razor ignored players who did well in winning teams and picked his guys despite their SR form and it hasn't worked out. And now he's taking some heat
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@RoninWC said in All Blacks 2024:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Oh, get a grip. So Sotutu is now the finest player not to get selected and everyone else is a journeyman. I find it funny how by attacking another player from a rival team who doesn't even get selected as a No.8 is the main focus of the argument. Just so friggen stupid.
you are talking about EB?
Where would you rank him on his 2024 season against the other 6s and 7s?One of the most effective loose forwards in the comp in a dysfunctional team when playing. Hence pretty much every pundit outside this echo chamber putting his name in the mix.
Being made of glass and a lack of a body of work is a reasonable argument though...LOL, I call BS on this statement.
One of the busiest, sure, but effective, NFW!
He's there because he's the coaches pet and son of a mate and because the fan boys fawn over the few minutes he plays each season.
Should never have walked into the squad let alone starting given how few minutes he's played and how actually ineffective he is when he plays. Busy doesn't mean efffective.
God you're repetitive and full of shit. He didn't walk into the starting side. The starting loosies against England were DP, AS, SF. EB and LJ had their first starts vs Fiji. EB performed, SF had not, and of the options available he earned the starting spot.
I wouldn't have picked him initially due to a lack of playing time, but he has performed well and justified his selection. Stats back that up.
To say he's been selected because he's the son of a mate paints you as quite the fluffybunny. -
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@RoninWC said in All Blacks 2024:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Oh, get a grip. So Sotutu is now the finest player not to get selected and everyone else is a journeyman. I find it funny how by attacking another player from a rival team who doesn't even get selected as a No.8 is the main focus of the argument. Just so friggen stupid.
you are talking about EB?
Where would you rank him on his 2024 season against the other 6s and 7s?One of the most effective loose forwards in the comp in a dysfunctional team when playing. Hence pretty much every pundit outside this echo chamber putting his name in the mix.
Being made of glass and a lack of a body of work is a reasonable argument though...LOL, I call BS on this statement.
One of the busiest, sure, but effective, NFW!
He's there because he's the coaches pet and son of a mate and because the fan boys fawn over the few minutes he plays each season.
Should never have walked into the squad let alone starting given how few minutes he's played and how actually ineffective he is when he plays. Busy doesn't mean efffective.
And just because some of us say Sotutu deserves a chance, that's all that means. He earned a chance, that is all. Funny how the EB fanbois immediately conclude that we are saying he is the second coming. Razor ignored players who did well in winning teams and picked his guys despite their SR form and it hasn't worked out. And now he's taking some heat
I would have picked Hoskins, but I don't expect him to come in and be the finished article on day 1.
Who exactly are "Razor's guys" who haven't performed? Finau, Savea, TJP, Jordie, Rieko, Telea...? -
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
@RoninWC said in All Blacks 2024:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
@Old-Samurai-Jack said in All Blacks 2024 - selection:
Oh, get a grip. So Sotutu is now the finest player not to get selected and everyone else is a journeyman. I find it funny how by attacking another player from a rival team who doesn't even get selected as a No.8 is the main focus of the argument. Just so friggen stupid.
you are talking about EB?
Where would you rank him on his 2024 season against the other 6s and 7s?One of the most effective loose forwards in the comp in a dysfunctional team when playing. Hence pretty much every pundit outside this echo chamber putting his name in the mix.
Being made of glass and a lack of a body of work is a reasonable argument though...LOL, I call BS on this statement.
One of the busiest, sure, but effective, NFW!
He's there because he's the coaches pet and son of a mate and because the fan boys fawn over the few minutes he plays each season.
Should never have walked into the squad let alone starting given how few minutes he's played and how actually ineffective he is when he plays. Busy doesn't mean efffective.
And just because some of us say Sotutu deserves a chance, that's all that means. He earned a chance, that is all. Funny how the EB fanbois immediately conclude that we are saying he is the second coming. Razor ignored players who did well in winning teams and picked his guys despite their SR form and it hasn't worked out. And now he's taking some heat
I would have picked Hoskins, but I don't expect him to come in and be the finished article on day 1.
Who exactly are "Razor's guys" who haven't performed? Finau, Savea, TJP, Jordie, Rieko, Telea...?I was mainly focussing on EB, as a response to earlier (not yours) posts. He's getting an easier road, some are not getting a crack. Normal in any team though I guess
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@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
I just want the best for the All Blacks. And that means leaving no stone unturned. Picking form guys in SR to see what the coaches can do with them would seem logical
Me too and I'm all for that, and have said numerous times that I would not have picked EB initially. I've changed my mind, because he has performed - the evidence is there that I was wrong and he was a good selection.
I remain confused as to why we need all three of Cane, Dalton and Jacobson, and I don't know why we needed to pick Sititi this early.
I just don't get why people are so hung up on EB still when what I'm seeing is a heap of others playing worse than him. -
@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
@canefan said in All Blacks 2024:
I just want the best for the All Blacks. And that means leaving no stone unturned. Picking form guys in SR to see what the coaches can do with them would seem logical
Me too and I'm all for that, and have said numerous times that I would not have picked EB initially. I've changed my mind, because he has performed - the evidence is there that I was wrong and he was a good selection.
I remain confused as to why we need all three of Cane, Dalton and Jacobson, and I don't know why we needed to pick Sititi this early.
I just don't get why people are so hung up on EB still when what I'm seeing is a heap of others playing worse than him.That's fair. In the back 3 we will need a workhorse, and when Cane goes someone will have to do the grunt work. Maybe it will be Ethan. But we don't need two of them, as playing the more dynamic Sititi showed
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More update on Roigard, he looks raring to go after some impressive work in the gym.
'He’s squatting around 170 kilograms in the weight room and he ran a four minute, 29 Bronco'.
Cam Roigard’s outrageously impressive Bronco time during injury rehab
Cam Roigard appears to be nearing a return from injury, with former All Black Israel Dagg revealing an outrageously impressive fitness update.
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@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
People complain about Finau not doing enough but he is better at the breakdown than Sititi. He reliably secures the ball.
I don't blame Sititi at all. He's being played out of position because they won't drop an out of form Savea. And the selector(s) binned Akira, dumped Finau without gradually introducing him to Test level footy, tried the perennially broken Blackadder and then said "here's your big chance mate, a position you didn't play in Super Rugby..."
Papali'i just gets to more breakdowns than Cane. He gets to breakdowns that Cane doesn't have the pace to get too. Razor desires a 15 man game with more width and Cane is not the guy for that game. The AB's and Cane improved under Foster when Schmidt took over because they started playing a narrower game plan that suits Cane's lack of mobility.
I'm not convinced that Cane is appreciably slower than Papali'i. He gets into the wide channels pretty damn well based on the last two outings. He's practically light speed compared to the glacial Blackadder.
You can play either of them but that's not where the issue lies.
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@darylmitchell said in All Blacks 2024:
“It’s quite amazing what he told us.”
I sense a fair bit of trolling there. Brown's knowledge of the All Blacks would be fairly limited.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
I'm not convinced that Cane is appreciably slower than Papali'i. He gets into the wide channels pretty damn well based on the last two outings. He's practically light speed compared to the glacial Blackadder.
You can play either of them but that's not where the issue lies.
Right, so now EB is not only ineffective but he doesn't actually get anywhere.
Despite all the stats showing him making a shitload of tackles and carries - stats which are, y'know, kinda hard to rack up without being where the ball is.
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
I'm not convinced that Cane is appreciably slower than Papali'i. He gets into the wide channels pretty damn well based on the last two outings. He's practically light speed compared to the glacial Blackadder.
You can play either of them but that's not where the issue lies.
Right, so now EB is not only ineffective but he doesn't actually get anywhere.
Despite all the stats showing him making a shitload of tackles and carries - stats which are, y'know, kinda hard to rack up without being where the ball is.
You’re missing the key word which is “effective”
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@Canes4life said in All Blacks 2024:
More update on Roigard, he looks raring to go after some impressive work in the gym.
'He’s squatting around 170 kilograms in the weight room and he ran a four minute, 29 Bronco'.
Cam Roigard’s outrageously impressive Bronco time during injury rehab
Cam Roigard appears to be nearing a return from injury, with former All Black Israel Dagg revealing an outrageously impressive fitness update.
I didn’t even need to read the username to know who shared this
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@reprobate said in All Blacks 2024:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2024:
@brodean said in All Blacks 2024:
I'm not convinced that Cane is appreciably slower than Papali'i. He gets into the wide channels pretty damn well based on the last two outings. He's practically light speed compared to the glacial Blackadder.
You can play either of them but that's not where the issue lies.
Right, so now EB is not only ineffective but he doesn't actually get anywhere.
Despite all the stats showing him making a shitload of tackles and carries - stats which are, y'know, kinda hard to rack up without being where the ball is.
Did you watch him ponderously cover and get burned? Or where a front rower left him behind chasing a kick in support? He's fucking slow. Like gumboots in mud slow.
His lack of pace is indefensible.
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@kpkanz said in All Blacks 2024:
@Victor-Meldrew said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@kpkanz said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@Yeahtheboys said in Springboks vs All Blacks 2:
@kpkanz “razor wins each one of them” based on fucking what? He lost to Argentina at home?
Because I'm comparing the rugby we're playing under Razor to the rugby we played under Foster??
Which was the worst I have ever seen the All Blacks play in decades of watching?Our Argentina loss this year we were up 20-8 and threw the game away where we basically handed 2 free tries and collapsed. A game we blew.
Do you not remember the Argentina losses under Foster?
In those games we were genuinely dominated from minute 1 to minute 80. At NO point in those entire games did we look like winning.That has not happened once in Razors first year. All 3 losses we had a legitimate chance for victory, 2 of them where we had no right to lose from the position we were in.
So yes this is magnitudes better than Fosters first 2 years before Schmidt/Ryan joined.
Mate, what Foster did or didn't do 3 years ago has got bugger all to do with current AB problems.
We've gone from losing RWC 2023 to SA by one point with (14 men) to blowing a 27-14 lead at 68 minutes to lose 31-27 to SA. (And before you start throwing the "loss of experienced players" bullshit, both sides had 13 of their 23 at the RWC on that day)
How the fuck you regard that as progress or proof that we're playing better rugby overall under Robertson is beyond me.
Was 2020 too far back for you to remember?
Or 2021?Do you remember our first 2 years of Foster? Compared to Razors first year
Genuinely do people not watch the games?
From 2020-21 I distinctly remember us having no attacking shape whatsoever.
We would do one off runners from the halfback (2009 Bulls style), we wouldn't make meters, and then we'd box kick.
That's ALL we did for those 2 years until Schmidt joined and actually started introducing some shape to our attack.
Do people genuinely not remember how horrid this time was??
Even 2022-23 we still seemingly gave up on getting around the rush defense and instead committed to pick and go and one off runners smashing it up.
The antithesis of what our core skill-sets are and not leveraging what we have above all other countries.
We're only 3 months in with this new coaching setup and we have beaten and got around the rush defense more times in these 7 games than we managed the last 4 years.
Once we tidy up our phase play 5-10 metres out from the opposition try line and are more clinical in that area we're going to start putting up big scores against teams that have been troubling us this last decade.
The saying 'Cant see the Forest for the trees' comes to mind here with some of the criticism towards our performances thus far.
LOL we don’t have anything over all other countries, man.
