RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@antipodean this 💯
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Just have to go back to 2019 to get excited about the great final coming up. We scrape through Wales , while England were on a big high after they beat the All Blacks. This Bok team have been there , done that, got the title and will lift for the final.
Hope Faf, Pollard, Ox and Willie starts. Get Willemse on the bench to allow 6/2 split.
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@antipodean said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Watching South Africa they don't tend to create a lot in their backline, but score off the errors of their opponents. England's style of play didn't provide them with those opportunities, compare with the tries they scored against us at Twickenham.
tl;dr version: We need to be very accurate.
Yeah, they have very little clue if those bombs are defused. Which is something I consider crazy when you look at some of their attacking weapons.
Wish we had Cory Jane right now.
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@antipodean DDA, for all his strengths is not a distributor at 12. Neither is Kriel at 13. Ball rarely gets beyond them , even on a dry track. Bok wings are brilliant kick chasers and broken field runners on turnover ball, but they are rarely, if ever, on the end of structured backline moves.
Boks are married to their kicking gameplan it seems. Unless they have some dry powder waiting to be unleashed.
Bok gameplan is kick and klap. It maul for penalties and maul drive tries. It is applying pressure until their opponent breaks and pouncing on those mistakes. Simple, reduces errors that cost them.
Get in front of them like ABs did against Ireland (13-0), and I don’t know if they will claw it back. They did last night because England posed so little threat on their try line. They did against France because the French couldn’t catch high balls and provided them unstructured turnover ball.
If they are to win, at least make them earn their tries.
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@OomPB ABs aren’t on a high after beating Argentina though.
ABs and Boks had their off game in SFs after the QF highs. SA had to go to the emotional, mental and physical well twice in a week.
If they turn up for the final and maintain the intensity we know they are capable of, it will be no mean feat.
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@Steven-Harris said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Chris totally agree
Firstly on the official , it would not surprise me if Mathieu Raynal is given the final primarily because of political purposes
The long range weather forecast for Paris is not great so conditions could be very similar to what we saw this morning
My concern coming out of this morning was the impact from Springbok bench , it was out the gate especially the 2 props Ox Nche and Vincent Koch who very influentialThe question for the All Black coaches is , do we go for stronger scrummagers off the bench ..? Eg Tu’ungafasi and Laulala or do we stick with these young guns we don’t want to be in a similar position to England this morning
For me the other learnings from the game this morning was the kicking game of England especially in the last 20 minutes , it worked for the first 60 minutes but at 15-6 up they needed to kick long as opposed to high kicks ..
Hope we take some lessons from these tacticsExacte.
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@pakman said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@stodders said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
AB management need snipers on the roof for anyone with a name like Susie 😂
The take their own chef nowadays!
Looks like Ryan has taken over the food-testing duties from Foster.
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@sparky said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Unless the Boks have lots of dry powder hidden away or it’s a French ref, I think the ABs will win.
Speaking of dry powder, I wonder if we will bring back a version of the kicking game we displayed at Mt Smart?
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@Canes4life
If we win it yes best WC for me.
I love seeing people fulfill their potential and it's been great seeing players like Newell, Williams, deGroot, Lomax, JB, Frizzell, Roigard out there playing well.
It's also great that it's clear that head knock prevention is here to stay and everyone has to toe the line.
As always everyone supports the minnows. Good to see Portugal and Fiji going well.
The biggest downer has been the eccentric rule bending traffic light holding time wasting prats that are SA management. They are a blight on the game. Crap like that is not needed and I hope we thrash them by 30. -
Same starting lineup but the bench will be
Coles, Newell, Williams, Laulala, Tu'ungafasi, Whitelock, Papali’i, Christie
Savea covering the backline 😎
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Question for the front row committee/props on here - Bernard Jackman says that Porter demolished Lomax in the QF, but Barnes penalised Porter because of a preconception about Porter.
Given the Bok scrum’s strength, is there any credence to Jackman’s claim? I’m not interested in bagging his claim because he’s Irish, more if he a valid point or not.
“ I think Barnes went into the game with a preconception about Andrew Porter and he refereed like that. We conceded three penalties from the four scrums the All Blacks had and looking back at multiple angles, Barnes was completely wrong on two of them.
Certainly if you look at a screenshot at certain points Porter’s hips are out and he looks like he is driving across. However, if his opposite man, their tighthead Tyrel Lomax, turns in towards our hooker without earning the right to do that by winning his battle with Porter first, then either Porter follows him in and tries to break his ribs like he did or he slips his bind to stay straight but leaves his pack exposed to a weaker scrum that could now go forward.
The most frustrating penalty was when New Zealand had a man in the bin and decided not to bring a centre in for the scrum to go eight v eight or even move their number eight behind Lomax to try and help him. Any good loose head in the world will exploit this mismatch. Lomax was destroyed by Porter, but Barnes penalised Ireland.
For a top class and experienced referee not to see this, especially when they decided to risk seven versus eight, is mind blowing. But to be fair, it’s been a very difficult World Cup for referees and the other officials and will be a big focus for World Rugby over the next cycle.”
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@Jailbreak7 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
If we want to look at the periphery I think the ABs sent a significant message which will not have been lost on Rassie & co, when they decided not to replace SB after his YC was up, and played out the game with 14 men keeping the scoresheet clean for the entire 2nd half. That's a statement.
Should they be allowed? To voluntarily not replace someone?
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Jailbreak7 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
If we want to look at the periphery I think the ABs sent a significant message which will not have been lost on Rassie & co, when they decided not to replace SB after his YC was up, and played out the game with 14 men keeping the scoresheet clean for the entire 2nd half. That's a statement.
Should they be allowed? To voluntarily not replace someone?
Huh? Why not?
