RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks
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@tubbyj said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
SA should be massive favourites.
NZ is always the favorite against the Boks, you guys have a 69% win record since 92, and 70% in the last 10 years. Nice try, but we are the underdogs going in, we have to step up our game to hang with NZ
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@frugby the Irish and Argentina bench offers nothing like the Boks do that's why I feel they mite go for power and experience over youth and Christie has put the halfback situation to bed thought he added alot more speed when he come on his pass makes Roigards look slow
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@rustycruiser said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@tubbyj said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
SA should be massive favourites.
NZ is always the favorite against the Boks, you guys have a 69% win record since 92, and 70% in the last 10 years. Nice try, but we are the underdogs going in, we have to step up our game to hang with NZ
3/3 under Foster
SA 2 wins 1 loss against Foster’s AB’s at neutral venues
NZ 100% confirmed underdogs
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5 NZ win, 4 SA win, 1 draw since 2018 with most of the current players in both teams. But I am still claiming David to your Goliath. lol
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@george33 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@frugby the Irish and Argentina bench offers nothing like the Boks do that's why I feel they mite go for power and experience over youth and Christie has put the halfback situation to bed thought he added alot more speed when he come on his pass makes Roigards look slow
Let's hope the Boks lose a back or two early, so we can see their fatties lining up in the backline
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Not really sure there is a favourite in this game. Rather, various advantages.
I think the forecast wet weather, should it arise would favour the Boks.
I think having played an easier quarter, and getting an extra day's recovery is a significant advantage for New Zealand
I think Wayne Barnes reffing (if it is him) probably favours New Zealand, as he is more likely to let the game flow than a Raynal
As a pure guess, I'd suspect there are more South African fans, which is an advantage for themThere are things both ways, it will come down to fine margins you'd think. It won't be the coaches or the players I don't think. It is likely to be just like this morning, where it is purely a late decision either way with an interpretation of the rules. In no way is it the referee's fault, but the fact is, when a game is decided by a score, generally speaking there is going to be a 'decision' often one that is purely 50/50, and we'll either love it or hate it.
Go the All Blacks!
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@frugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I'd actually like to see them dip outside of what they have already used with the Georgian boy, but we will see. Is he even still there?
It looked like him running the water for O'Keeffe. Honestly, I don't care who refs that game as I have no interest.
As to the AB team, I think Laulala for Newell is more likely than Tuʻungafasi for Williams if a change is made. The same starting forward pack as for Ireland.
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Who wins might depend on whether SB goes brain dead or not. What does that guy not understand? His yellow card just reinforced his stupidity.
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@tubbyj said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
SA should be massive favourites.
RWC finals are always tight nervy affairs. SA has given 2 masterclasses in a row on how to win such games. NZ has just given masterclasses on how to give away yellow cards in such situations.
NZ even in its knockout wins have struggled to exit their own 22. The clearing kickers are all only capable of kicking short distances and are more prone to skewing it off the side of the boot. More often NZ win the lineout on their own 22 then kick it out 2 metres further down field from where they won it. SA has consistently cleared it up to the halfway line
Last game we struggled to repel the Boks mauls and scrum. We are likely to pick a very inexperienced reserve front row again.
Mark Telea was exposed against the Argentines as being average under the high ball. No way Rassie Erasmus has not noted this.
SA have more veterans likely to be in their last RWC and probably likely to retire straight after. They will be more incentivized to send these players out as winners.
SA players have more experience playing under NH refs with their players exposed to them in the URC. NZ is more likely to run foul of their interpretations.
The neutrals despite what they will claim will want SA to win. The Irish will be obsessed with seeing NZ punished for beating them, the English will want the Saffers to win so they can believe they were a whisker from winning the whole thing and the Welsh and Scottish will see more sport in winding up NZ fans after a loss. French, Argentinian and Italian fans will probably support NZ but it will be lost in translation.
Finally Rassie Erasmus is a proven RWC winning coach. Ian Foster couldn't even win a Super rugby title, Joe Schmidt couldn't get the Irish past the quarterfinals and Jason Ryan is still finding his feet at International level.
Do they ?
We have Coles, Taylor, Whitelock, Cane, Smith, B Barrett……..plus maybe some others ?
I don’t really follow ABs on social media like others so forgive me if I’m wrong on some of these.
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@Bovidae said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@frugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I'd actually like to see them dip outside of what they have already used with the Georgian boy, but we will see. Is he even still there?
It looked like him running the water for O'Keeffe. Honestly, I don't care who refs that game as I have no interest.
As to the AB team, I think Laulala for Newell is more likely than Tuʻungafasi for Williams if a change is made. The same starting forward pack as for Ireland.
Agree r.e the referee, particularly for 3v4. Barnes will do the ABs, I'd be stunned if he doesn't.
Can't see Jase Ryan dropping any of the props... Lomax and Newell have been more or less the preferred pairing when fit and available from the moment he came into the job. I think if (and they won't be) worried about the scrum, then I'm not sure picking Nepo who increases the likelihood of scrums, is actually the money selection anyway.
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@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@tubbyj said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
SA should be massive favourites.
RWC finals are always tight nervy affairs. SA has given 2 masterclasses in a row on how to win such games. NZ has just given masterclasses on how to give away yellow cards in such situations.
NZ even in its knockout wins have struggled to exit their own 22. The clearing kickers are all only capable of kicking short distances and are more prone to skewing it off the side of the boot. More often NZ win the lineout on their own 22 then kick it out 2 metres further down field from where they won it. SA has consistently cleared it up to the halfway line
Last game we struggled to repel the Boks mauls and scrum. We are likely to pick a very inexperienced reserve front row again.
Mark Telea was exposed against the Argentines as being average under the high ball. No way Rassie Erasmus has not noted this.
SA have more veterans likely to be in their last RWC and probably likely to retire straight after. They will be more incentivized to send these players out as winners.
SA players have more experience playing under NH refs with their players exposed to them in the URC. NZ is more likely to run foul of their interpretations.
The neutrals despite what they will claim will want SA to win. The Irish will be obsessed with seeing NZ punished for beating them, the English will want the Saffers to win so they can believe they were a whisker from winning the whole thing and the Welsh and Scottish will see more sport in winding up NZ fans after a loss. French, Argentinian and Italian fans will probably support NZ but it will be lost in translation.
Finally Rassie Erasmus is a proven RWC winning coach. Ian Foster couldn't even win a Super rugby title, Joe Schmidt couldn't get the Irish past the quarterfinals and Jason Ryan is still finding his feet at International level.
Do they ?
We have Coles, Taylor, Whitelock, Cane, Smith, B Barrett……..plus maybe some others ?
I don’t really follow ABs on social media like others so forgive me if I’m wrong on some of these.
Of those mentioned, Taylor and Cane are signed until 2025, Whitelock is going to France, Smith to Japan until 2026 and Barrett the same until 2025, and he still seems keen on a return after that.
Of that group, Coles is the only one flat out retiring, and Whitelock is the only other nailed on to never play for the ABs ever again.
With how fit he is, I really wouldn't count out Aaron Smith coming back to New Zealand in 2027... whether he cracks the ABs will be purely dependent on whether we have established three good halfbacks, which I think we will definitely have two by that stage.
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@frugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@MN5 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@tubbyj said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
SA should be massive favourites.
RWC finals are always tight nervy affairs. SA has given 2 masterclasses in a row on how to win such games. NZ has just given masterclasses on how to give away yellow cards in such situations.
NZ even in its knockout wins have struggled to exit their own 22. The clearing kickers are all only capable of kicking short distances and are more prone to skewing it off the side of the boot. More often NZ win the lineout on their own 22 then kick it out 2 metres further down field from where they won it. SA has consistently cleared it up to the halfway line
Last game we struggled to repel the Boks mauls and scrum. We are likely to pick a very inexperienced reserve front row again.
Mark Telea was exposed against the Argentines as being average under the high ball. No way Rassie Erasmus has not noted this.
SA have more veterans likely to be in their last RWC and probably likely to retire straight after. They will be more incentivized to send these players out as winners.
SA players have more experience playing under NH refs with their players exposed to them in the URC. NZ is more likely to run foul of their interpretations.
The neutrals despite what they will claim will want SA to win. The Irish will be obsessed with seeing NZ punished for beating them, the English will want the Saffers to win so they can believe they were a whisker from winning the whole thing and the Welsh and Scottish will see more sport in winding up NZ fans after a loss. French, Argentinian and Italian fans will probably support NZ but it will be lost in translation.
Finally Rassie Erasmus is a proven RWC winning coach. Ian Foster couldn't even win a Super rugby title, Joe Schmidt couldn't get the Irish past the quarterfinals and Jason Ryan is still finding his feet at International level.
Do they ?
We have Coles, Taylor, Whitelock, Cane, Smith, B Barrett……..plus maybe some others ?
I don’t really follow ABs on social media like others so forgive me if I’m wrong on some of these.
Of those mentioned, Taylor and Cane are signed until 2025, Whitelock is going to France, Smith to Japan until 2026 and Barrett the same until 2025, and he still seems keen on a return after that.
Of that group, Coles is the only one flat out retiring, and Whitelock is the only other nailed on to never play for the ABs ever again.
With how fit he is, I really wouldn't count out Aaron Smith coming back to New Zealand in 2027... whether he cracks the ABs will be purely dependent on whether we have established three good halfbacks, which I think we will definitely have two by that stage.
Fair enough, I stand corrected. A quick google indicates some of these guys aren’t actually as old as I thought.
Smith may do a Nonu and still be awesome despite technically retiring from internationals.
I can’t see Cane going on much longer but he’s having something of a renaissance as is Taylor.
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@MN5 I expect Cane to hang around for two years to attempt to play 100 tests, and then will likely go cash in over in Japan for a year or two and then will call it a day... he may even pull the plug altogether in 2025, the man's body must be cooked!
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I can C Cane playing in Japan this time next year
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@george33 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I can C Cane playing in Japan this time next year
If he wins the RWC it would be a very nice way for a guy to go out, considering his injury history
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@george33 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I can C Cane playing in Japan this time next year
Considering he is signed until 2025, I find that highly improbable. He wants to play 100 tests, and will be 94 going into next year. I think as long as he displays solid form in Super Rugby, he will be allowed the chance to do that.
Ardie will be eased back in + there is no obvious no. 8 that will see him squeezed out of the picture, that he doesn't get there barring injury.
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@frugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@george33 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I can C Cane playing in Japan this time next year
Considering he is signed until 2025, I find that highly improbable. He wants to play 100 tests, and will be 94 going into next year. I think as long as he displays solid form in Super Rugby, he will be allowed the chance to do that.
Ardie will be eased back in + there is no obvious no. 8 that will see him squeezed out of the picture, that he doesn't get there barring injury.
Surely Robertson will fill the loose forwards with Canterbury players like Cullen Grace and the immortal Ethan Blackadder. Cane might have no where to go.
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Just looking at signs and trends and all that shit...and perhaps a healthy dose of reaching, but I don't think any side that has knocked England out of the RWC has ever won it. Let's hope that continues 🙏
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Just looking at signs and trends and all that shit...and perhaps a healthy dose of reaching, but I don't think any side that has knocked England out of the RWC has ever won it. Let's hope that continues 🙏
Could be a Foster first.
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This whole thing is surreal
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@voodoo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Odd odds
So they think we will win it in regulation time but if it goes to extra time/penalties it balances out?
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@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@voodoo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Odd odds
So they think we will win it in regulation time but if it goes to extra time/penalties it balances out?
They would need to actually be heavily favoured to win in ET/Pens to balance it out right?
As @Smudge said, probably looks like a mistake or a rort
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@voodoo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@voodoo said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Odd odds
So they think we will win it in regulation time but if it goes to extra time/penalties it balances out?
They would need to actually be heavily favoured to win in ET/Pens to balance it out right?
As @Smudge said, probably looks like a mistake or a rort
Just poor algorithm on the thing that puts it together, I reckon, it is from 24 markets
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Biggest and best rivalry in global sport, bar none.
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If it is allowed to be played with extra breaks and 15 subs (SA head knock rotation policy) then I personally think the old foe gets up.
However if it is allowed to flow and the above policed then I think we have them, even in the wet, assuming we play like the last 2 games.
Apart from our exits we have turned a corner in other areas that were a worry.
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It’s going to be rainy in Paris all week.
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@frugby said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
I expect Cane to hang around for two years to attempt to play 100 tests
I hope so. Robertson is going to need to rebuild with so many older playing retiring and having the likes of Cane there gives a solid foundation to work from. And I don't think he's the sort of bloke who'd pack a sad if he wasn't captain.
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Question for everyone.. has this been the best WC ever?
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@Canes4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Question for everyone.. has this been the best WC ever?
I'll tell you next Saturday night (NZ Sunday morning).
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@gt12 said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Canes4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Question for everyone.. has this been the best WC ever?
I'll tell you next Saturday night (NZ Sunday morning).
Quoted for truth.
If Rassies "HIA" (honest guv), water-boy deploying, injury faking, time-wasting stultifying cheats win, then no.
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@Canes4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Question for everyone.. has this been the best WC ever?
In terms of the quarters and semis, the likes of Fiji, Samoa, Japan etc becoming competitive, dickheaded-ness in players and coaches generally not coming off, then absolutely up there.
The reffing has been ordinary, though not the Refs fault (bar Carley, Wales v Fiji). Guidelines changes seemingly at random. UK TV coverage has been middling.
Maybe just me, but I've found this one just a bit flat for some reason.
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@Canes4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Question for everyone.. has this been the best WC ever?
I'll give you a definitive answer after the final. But I reckon in terms of match-ups, crowds and results it's up there.
One thing that is amazing is seeing a game like Fiji vs Portugal with a full stadium. I contrast that to the quarter and half empty Ballymore (capacity maybe 20k) where I watched games in 87. This tournament has come a very very long way.
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If we want to look at the periphery I think the ABs sent a significant message which will not have been lost on Rassie & co, when they decided not to replace SB after his YC was up, and played out the game with 14 men keeping the scoresheet clean for the entire 2nd half. That's a statement.
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@Machpants as opposed to Foster’s bumbling, worst ABs ever, rag tag crew triumphing? 😂
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@Canes4life said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Question for everyone.. has this been the best WC ever?
Better than the last two... 2011 was pretty good, but this probably shades it, especially if we get a cracking final. Before that, I'll show my age here, but I am struggling!
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@Duluth said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@rustycruiser said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@tubbyj said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
SA should be massive favourites.
NZ is always the favorite against the Boks, you guys have a 69% win record since 92, and 70% in the last 10 years. Nice try, but we are the underdogs going in, we have to step up our game to hang with NZ
3/3 under Foster
SA 2 wins 1 loss against Foster’s AB’s at neutral venues
NZ 100% confirmed underdogs
110%
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@stodders said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
@Machpants as opposed to Foster’s bumbling, worst ABs ever, rag tag crew triumphing? 😂
It's a redemption story, everyone loves those. Not the evil already champs beating up on the poor underdogs, who are really without a hope
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@sparky said in RWC Final: All Blacks v Springboks:
Biggest and best rivalry in global sport, bar none.
I’d say the India vs Pakistan cricket rivalry may have a few more eyes watching (and a level of insane following) than little ol’ NZ and Sth Africa rugby….
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