NSW Bans Greyhound Racing

Tim

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Fuck cats.
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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
 
A dog has no dignity, a cat is a noble creature. Don't denigrate the superior animal just because you want a slave.

NTA

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Tim" data-cid="595189" data-time="1467974731">Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. 
A dog has no dignity, a cat is a noble creature. Don't denigrate the superior animal just because you want a slave.</blockquote>
 
I want a loyal friend. I have fluffybunnies at work.

antipodean

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Yep, if you get a good pet dog AND they clean up some cats, win-win.
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My favourite cat used to beat up dogs. Helped that he was the size of one.

reprobate

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Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
 
A dog has no dignity, a cat is a noble creature. Don't denigrate the superior animal just because you want a slave.
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cats are as dumb as fuck. that's why they can't be taught to do fuck all - but they are also lazy and weak-willed, which is why they can be domesticated so easily.
how people can try to claim their inability to learn is some sort of 'i'll do what i like' superiority or positive character trait is beyond me - imagine if you adopted that logic with a child.

Hooroo

<a class="bbc_url" href="https://vimeo.com/173890969">https://vimeo.com/173890969</a> 
This is Lexi our youngest Golden Retreiver being smoked by our cat, Possum. 
Roles now reversed. Lex now smokes possum..... Then possum licks Lexi's head

Hooroo

Text book tackle I might add

Rancid Schnitzel

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cats are as dumb as fuck. that's why they can't be taught to do fuck all - but they are also lazy and weak-willed, which is why they can be domesticated so easily. 
how people can try to claim their inability to learn is some sort of 'i'll do what i like' superiority or positive character trait is beyond me - imagine if you adopted that logic with a child.</blockquote>
 
Boulder dash. Cats are too smart to do any of that shit. They don't see the point. Dogs are retarded. That's why they'll endlessly run after a stick, or remain loyal even if they're totally neglected. With cats you have to win their respect. Dogs are too stupid to realise they have an option. And you have to wash the grotty bastards.

Tim

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Cats have been shown in meta-studies to have superior longterm memory to dogs - they do not forgive.
 
Their relative intelligence cannot be determined, because they simply will not do anything they don't want to. Truly a noble and superior creature.

Tim

Additionally, whole genome sequences have shown that cats most likely domesticated themselves. They found human settlements advantageous, so they chose to join them. They were not deliberately cowed by humanity - a trait that lives on through their Independence.

reprobate

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Their relative intelligence cannot be determined, because they simply will not do anything they don't want to. Truly a noble and superior creature.
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if you consider arrogance and egocentrism equivalent to noble and superior i guess. it also assumes they could do stuff if they wanted to, when really they just can't.

No Quarter

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Cats have been shown in meta-studies to have superior longterm memory to dogs - they do not forgive. 
Their relative intelligence cannot be determined, because they simply will not do anything they don't want to. Truly a noble and superior creature.</blockquote>
Yup, if I stood on my cats tail by accident, hours later she would come up to me pretending to want affection by rubbing up against my legs, the second I put my hand down she'd tear it to pieces then sprint off down the hallway to hide under the bed where I couldn't get at her. She used to terrorise my mates with that sort of stuff as well. Crazy, but smart.

reprobate

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Boulder dash. Cats are too smart to do any of that shit. They don't see the point. Dogs are retarded. That's why they'll endlessly run after a stick, or remain loyal even if they're totally neglected. With cats you have to win their respect. Dogs are too stupid to realise they have an option. And you have to wash the grotty bastards.
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they don't see the point in reward-based training? they don't see the point of 'if i do this, i get that'? gotta be pretty fucking thick then.

No Quarter

<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="reprobate" data-cid="595241" data-time="1467979298">they don't see the point in reward-based training? they don't see the point of 'if i do this, i get that'? gotta be pretty fucking thick then.</blockquote>
Well Dogs are pretty much obsessed with food so reward based training is pretty easy with them. Cats are more obsessed with lying in the sun or playing with mice which they can do at their own leisure. If you try reward based training with a cat it will just look at you as if you are an idiot.

Rancid Schnitzel

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they don't see the point in reward-based training? they don't see the point of 'if i do this, i get that'? gotta be pretty fucking thick then.</blockquote>
 
What is the point? A snack? A cat doesn't see the point in demeaning itself for food it will get fed anyway. If you were fed enough would you act like a clown or do something you didn't want to do for a cracker?

Siam

When will horse racing be in the firing line? in Australia being more realistic and perhaps with a precedent now?
 
It's a debate that will no doubt gain some traction now but will be fought on a very different field and a lot more variables
 
Note: i have no problem with either animal racing but do have a problem with pointless or lazy animal cruelty. Although perhaps I'm a hypocrite because I LOVE catching live rats for my Jack Russells (and they LOVE me doing it!)

reprobate

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Well Dogs are pretty much obsessed with food so reward based training is pretty easy with them. Cats are more obsessed with lying in the sun or playing with mice which they can do at their own leisure. If you try reward based training with a cat it will just look at you as if you are an idiot.
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What is the point? A snack? A cat doesn't see the point in demeaning itself for food it will get fed anyway. If you were fed enough would you act like a clown or do something you didn't want to do for a cracker?
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jesus, yeah that's what is going on. cats think people are stupid. cats aren't prepared to demean themselves to humans.
 
let's recap: humans can travel into space. cats haven't got past square 1.
 
it's personification gone mad. they don't understand cause they've got tiny little useless brains.

Rancid Schnitzel

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jesus, yeah that's what is going on. cats think people are stupid. cats aren't prepared to demean themselves to humans. 
let's recap: humans can travel into space. cats haven't got past square 1. 
it's personification gone mad. they don't understand cause they've got tiny little useless brains.</blockquote>
 
Nah, they don't think humans are stupid, they just won't do stupid things for humans for some halfarsed treat. 
Ever wondered why dogs aren't allowed to run free why cats are? Because dogs are likely to bite someone or run after and try and bite a car. In other words dogs are too farking stupid to be left alone.

reprobate

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Nah, they don't think humans are stupid, they just won't do stupid things for humans for some halfarsed treat. 
Ever wondered why dogs aren't allowed to run free why cats are? Because dogs are likely to bite someone or run after and try and bite a car. In other words dogs are too farking stupid to be left alone.
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in the country dogs run free - they know where they are allowed to go, and what they are allowed to do. cats won't learn that. dogs being larger and stronger and potentially more dangerous is the reason for being more careful with them, not brain power.
i reckon if you tried to train a cat with rewards - and starvation as the other option - it still wouldn't learn.

Rancid Schnitzel

Nah they'd rather hunt for their food

barbarian

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When will horse racing be in the firing line? in Australia being more realistic and perhaps with a precedent now?
 
It's a debate that will no doubt gain some traction now but will be fought on a very different field and a lot more variables
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Think it's still a while away. Ultimately horses are much bigger creatures than dogs, and way less expendable.
 
There are issues with cruelty for sure, but it's far more isolated and much easier to police. Whereas the greyhound issues were so endemic and widespread that there was never any real hope of fixing them.

The Silver Fern

NSW Bans Greyhound Racing