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NTA

I'm a little confused given the person purchasing had shown proof of age. Or am I reading that wrong?

You're reading that right.

Two people enter store. Person 1 buys the alcohol while Person 2 is nowhere to be seen but apparently had left just the store.

Store's opinion: The Boy should have asked for ID from Person 2 per the instructions coming over his headset - who keep in mind was not there when purchase happened - or refuse service to Person 1.

My opinion: Person 1 is guilty of secondary supply IF it even happened.

EDIT: lot of "ifs" there: "if" the kid gets caught with booze and "if" he gives up his mate who bought it and "if" he gives up the store who sold it and "if" there is even a case for the store to be culpable and "if" the store lets the 18yo take the fall after everyone else said over comms that they wanted an ID check and did nothing about it themselves. That's also if the parents/cops even give a shit.

Problem is: Dan Murphy's so as the big hoss in town they're a target for reputational damage.

NTA

@antipodean @canefan e.g. some of the comments from the same store on Google Maps - which has a lot of 5 star reviews because booze and Aussies, but also these gems:

1 star
"Awful customer assistance interrogated my girlfriend everytime she so much as breathed told her not to "look at the alcohol" because she forgot her ID, even though her Mother was there the whole time and said she would supervise the experience. She was asked for ID 6 seperate times."

1 star
"Got ID'd twice then to had to go get my girlfriend out of the car to get ID'd aswell and also followed around store. Rude staff and overall a bad experience"

antipodean

@NTA said in Parenting:

@antipodean said in Parenting:

I'm a little confused given the person purchasing had shown proof of age. Or am I reading that wrong?

You're reading that right.

Two people enter store. Person 1 buys the alcohol while Person 2 is nowhere to be seen but apparently had left just the store.

Store's opinion: The Boy should have asked for ID from Person 2 per the instructions coming over his headset - who keep in mind was not there when purchase happened - or refuse service to Person 1.

My opinion: Person 1 is guilty of secondary supply IF it even happened.

EDIT: lot of "ifs" there: "if" the kid gets caught with booze and "if" he gives up his mate who bought it and "if" he gives up the store who sold it and "if" there is even a case for the store to be culpable and "if" the store lets the 18yo take the fall after everyone else said over comms that they wanted an ID check and did nothing about it themselves. That's also if the parents/cops even give a shit.

Problem is: Dan Murphy's so as the big hoss in town they're a target for reputational damage.

The idiocy of the management is neatly explained by coming up with realistic hypotheticals; namely are you refusing me a product I'm legally permitted to purchase because I didn't leave someone out of sight who can't?

Bones

@MajorRage said in Parenting:

@NTA said in Parenting:

@gt12 said in Parenting:

Is he getting paid 60K for this shit? I'm assuming it's a part-time gig...

$26.60 an hour. Not bad for a kid with no responsibilities. But fucking hell relax you dickheads!

If he checked the ID of the person buying the alcohol, and the minor was outside the store, then the customer will get the fine anyway for supplying.

That's IF anybody bothers to charge them i.e. the little underage shit gets busted by his parents IF his parents even care.

On top of all that, the mother in law (trapped n get Ian body with dementia) tested positive for Covid today.

Yay life

Those laws are insanely stupid.

My 70 yr old mother couldn’t buy a bottle of wine as my 38 year old wife was with her and didn’t have ID.

It literally prevents nothing.

I got ID'd in Exeter when buying a whole lot of shopping including booze, was with the gf at the time and my 14yo nephew. After she checked my ID she asked for my nephew's. I told her he's not buying it and if it's a problem he can go wait in the car. Weird, she just carried on after that - I think she was maybe thrown by the rozz being at the next checkout.

Just bizarre though, they'd have a whole world of problems if that's their rules come family shopping on a Sunday. Is your toddler 18?

NTA

@Bones said in Parenting:

Just bizarre though, they'd have a whole world of problems if that's their rules come family shopping on a Sunday. Is your toddler 18?

And it gets more stupid - https://www.police.nsw.gov.au/crime/drugs_and_alcohol/alcohol/alcohol_pages/alcohol_and_young_people

Only a parent or guardian (or a person authorised by the parent or guardian) may supply alcohol to a minor at an unlicensed premises (including a family home), however the supply must be consistent with the responsible supervision of the minor.

So, for example, when my then-17yo son attended a friend's 21st last year, when dropping him off I informed the parents of the house that he was fine to have a couple of drinks. Perfectly acceptable.

Here are the conditions:

In relation to the responsible supervision of a minor the following matters are considered:

the age of the minor
whether the person supplying the alcohol is intoxicated
whether the minor is consuming the liquor with food
whether the minors consumption of liquor is being responsibly supervised by the person supplying the liquor
the quantity of liquor and the period of time over which it is supplied
The supply of alcohol to a child who is intoxicated is not, in any circumstance, consistent with the responsible supervision of a minor.

Significant fines apply. A $1,100 on-the-spot penalty can be issued or the courts can impose fines of up to $11,000 and/or 12 months imprisonment.

Therefore, not only can I load up my trolley with as much piss as I want, I can tell everyone in the store that my underage daughter will be drinking a responsible quantity of it, and they can refuse me service under their guidelines, but not the Law.

Rancid Schnitzel

Just further on my son's ex. She is apparently now a they. She changed her name from Oceania to Tobias. What the actual fůck?

MN5

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Parenting:

Just further on my son's ex. She is apparently now a they. She changed her name from Oceania to Tobias. What the actual fůck?

Haven’t read the rest of this thread but sounds like the boy dodged a massive bullet there pal !

NTA

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Parenting:

Just further on my son's ex. She is apparently now a they. She changed her name from Oceania to Tobias. What the actual fůck?

Fuck a duck. Maybe two ducks..

NTA

Update in summary:

The Boy got over it eventually and has had shifts since, including a Saturday night. He has 9 shifts between now and Xmas and was complaining he was going to do 38 hours the week leading up. Yeah mate, and you'll earn just over $1000 doing that so fucking enjoy it. Chances are after Xmas they will cut back the load on all the casuals.

The Girl seems to have come good - no shock to the men here that once her period hit, things started to calm down a bit. Still a lesson in keeping an eye on things.

The Mother In Law aka The Dementor has spent a week in hospital for no visible change, bar I guess her Covid going away. She's being discharged back to the Nursing Home as of tomorrow but if the last two years have been the slow decline, this is the final bit i.e. not eating enough to sustain herself. I liken it to Jonathan Kaplan warning Richie McCaw over a yellow card - being the final Final FINAL warning where he may think about possibly reaching into his pocket to act.

And me? I put up the Xmas lights last week, and am just waiting for them to get annilihilated by a storm. I've got a Board meeting for Subbies Rugby tonight where I'll get re-elected again to represent my Division (unopposed) and my boss is heading off on leave Friday, which is one less person to hassle me for shit the next month.

So yeah, it's OK.

Rancid Schnitzel

@MN5 said in Parenting:

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Parenting:

Just further on my son's ex. She is apparently now a they. She changed her name from Oceania to Tobias. What the actual fůck?

Haven’t read the rest of this thread but sounds like the boy dodged a massive bullet there pal !

Tbf the name Oceania should have been a massive red flag from the very start.

canefan

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Parenting:

Just further on my son's ex. She is apparently now a they. She changed her name from Oceania to Tobias. What the actual fůck?

Chicks 🙄. I mean they 🙄

No Quarter

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Parenting:

Just further on my son's ex. She is apparently now a they. She changed her name from Oceania to Tobias. What the actual fůck?

From what I understand girls are waaaay more susceptible to this transgender shit. More and more I'm thinking I got a bit lucky with three boys, though I'm sure they'll find creative ways to get into trouble as they get older.

voodoo

@No-Quarter said in Parenting:

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Parenting:

Just further on my son's ex. She is apparently now a they. She changed her name from Oceania to Tobias. What the actual fůck?

From what I understand girls are waaaay more susceptible to this transgender shit. More and more I'm thinking I got a bit lucky with three boys, though I'm sure they'll find creative ways to get into trouble as they get older.

That’s cos deep down everyone really just wants to be a dude…

Catogrande

@No-Quarter said in Parenting:

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Parenting:

Just further on my son's ex. She is apparently now a they. She changed her name from Oceania to Tobias. What the actual fůck?

From what I understand girls are waaaay more susceptible to this transgender shit. More and more I'm thinking I got a bit lucky with three boys, though I'm sure they'll find creative ways to get into trouble as they get older.

Girls are a doddle when they're younger whereas boys just want to put a bucket on their head and run into brick walls causing all sorts of mayhem. However. However. Once past a certain age this gets inverted and boys become mostly a breeze, whereas girls become angst ridden, needy, complaining little monsters.

If you're gonna hop on the trans bandwagon, have girls and then transition them to boys around the age of 10 for a simpler life.

On reflection this trans stuff is beginning to make sense now.

Frank

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Parenting:

Just further on my son's ex. She is apparently now a they. She changed her name from Oceania to Tobias. What the actual fůck?

Guy at my mate's work has a wife.
Wife has decided to become a man.
A cock is being put on in a few weeks.
Weird thing is, he is still committed to her.
Fully supports it apparently. (love transcends physical boundaries or some shit)
I don't believe it.
Deep down, I bet he is thinking WTF

mariner4life

I didn't think the stickadicktomy was a real thing

Catogrande

@Frank said in Parenting:

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Parenting:

Just further on my son's ex. She is apparently now a they. She changed her name from Oceania to Tobias. What the actual fůck?

Guy at my mate's work has a wife.
Wife has decided to become a man.
A cock is being put on in a few weeks.
Weird thing is, he is still committed to her.
Fully supports it apparently. (love transcends physical boundaries or some shit)
I don't believe it.
Deep down, I bet he is thinking WTF

Had it the other way round and my kids school Mr Science Teacher came back after the summer break as Ms Science Teacher. The wife stood by him/her all through the change and the subsequent fall outs, of which there were many and even now they're still together. Travelling around together in a camper van for half the year would you believe?

Rancid Schnitzel

@Frank said in Parenting:

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Parenting:

Just further on my son's ex. She is apparently now a they. She changed her name from Oceania to Tobias. What the actual fůck?

Guy at my mate's work has a wife.
Wife has decided to become a man.
A cock is being put on in a few weeks.
Weird thing is, he is still committed to her.
Fully supports it apparently. (love transcends physical boundaries or some shit)
I don't believe it.
Deep down, I bet he is thinking WTF

That is next level weird. Maybe he's actually gay and is looking forward to being able to bang a man?

Crazy Horse

@Frank said in Parenting:

@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Parenting:

Just further on my son's ex. She is apparently now a they. She changed her name from Oceania to Tobias. What the actual fůck?

Guy at my mate's work has a wife.
Wife has decided to become a man.
A cock is being put on in a few weeks.
Weird thing is, he is still committed to her.
Fully supports it apparently. (love transcends physical boundaries or some shit)
I don't believe it.
Deep down, I bet he is thinking WTF

I cannot imagine what it must be like to go through this. The guts it must take to raise the topic with your partner in the first place. How the hell do you even start such a conversation?

Then if you are the partner, the thought process you must go through as you come to terms with it. Your life is being turned upside down too.

MN5

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