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  • KiwiwombleK Online
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    #187

    i mean, havili's has a good run of games at 12, wouldn't hurt to give him a week

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    @bayimports said in Bledisloe 2:

    @Stargazer said in Bledisloe 2:

    Havili and Cane don't appear in any of the photos of training that I've seen this week.

    RTS, Jacobson, Perofeta, Reece, Vaa'i, Ardie, Akira, Ennor, Frizell etc all do, so I expect some of them in the 23, but not Cane and Havili.

    There was an article from Hinton yesterday that alluded to Havili not far off, but Cane unlikely.. of course that could still mean both out, but Cane looks long odds for sure

    That was guesswork from Hinton about Cane based on his history. He assumed that more care would be taken.

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    bayimports
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    @Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:

    @bayimports said in Bledisloe 2:

    @Stargazer said in Bledisloe 2:

    Havili and Cane don't appear in any of the photos of training that I've seen this week.

    RTS, Jacobson, Perofeta, Reece, Vaa'i, Ardie, Akira, Ennor, Frizell etc all do, so I expect some of them in the 23, but not Cane and Havili.

    There was an article from Hinton yesterday that alluded to Havili not far off, but Cane unlikely.. of course that could still mean both out, but Cane looks long odds for sure

    That was guesswork from Hinton about Cane based on his history. He assumed that more care would be taken.

    Sure its guesswork be he also made the same point as @Stargazer about who he had seen at training. Cane was still in his track pants for the skill units at the finish of Tuesday training. Media kept out of main session.

    I don't think its an unreasonable guess and why I agree with @Stargazer , I'm also picking he wont play (my guess)

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    Cane might be taking it easy early in the week as a precaution with the intention of stepping it up later on.

    I thought Havili was ruled out but then Ryan mentioned he was still an option. Looking at the 12 day protocol from world rugby it says: "No player will return earlier than the seventh day after injury, and any player's return will need to be approved by an independent concussion consultant."

    world.rugby

    World Rugby evolves approach to return to play from brain injury in the elite game - Keep Rugby Clean | world.rugby

    World Rugby evolves approach to return to play from brain injury in the elite game - Keep Rugby Clean | world.rugby

    World Rugby is evolving its Graduated Return to Play (GRTP) protocols for the elite game following the latest review of scientific evidence and rugby-specific research by federation’s expert independent Concussion Working Group.

    So, I guess Havili is technically available if he is approved by an independent consultant?

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    #191

    Hopefully a finals mentality, not semi finals mentality

    https://www.allblacks.com/news/finals-mentality-for-the-all-blacks/

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    @Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:

    Hopefully a finals mentality, not semi finals mentality

    https://www.allblacks.com/news/finals-mentality-for-the-all-blacks/

    What does that even mean, should you not be mentally right for every game? Do you play better with a final's mentality? Has that been our problem all year, we just didn't have a finals mentality?

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    @chimoaus said in Bledisloe 2:

    @Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:

    Hopefully a finals mentality, not semi finals mentality

    https://www.allblacks.com/news/finals-mentality-for-the-all-blacks/

    What does that even mean, should you not be mentally right for every game? Do you play better with a final's mentality? Has that been our problem all year, we just didn't have a finals mentality?

    Foster's ABs are normally happy with losing cos learnings and excitement for the next one. He says it all the time, I am not acutally joking, sadly

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    @chimoaus said in Bledisloe 2:

    @Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:

    Hopefully a finals mentality, not semi finals mentality

    https://www.allblacks.com/news/finals-mentality-for-the-all-blacks/

    What does that even mean, should you not be mentally right for every game? Do you play better with a final's mentality? Has that been our problem all year, we just didn't have a finals mentality?

    That's being a bit silly. We are talking about slight differences. Even previous coaches realised that a big key to RWC victory was being able to be 'up' for 3 or 4 games in a row and that was a difficult thing to achieve.
    Look at how England, having planned for years to be 'up' for a likely semi against NZ then didn't reach the same levels in the final.
    Shag used to say that he would know sometimes on a Tueday or Wednesday that the team was going to play big on the weekend by subtle differences in the mentality of the team.

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    #195

    @Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:

    @chimoaus said in Bledisloe 2:

    @Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:

    Hopefully a finals mentality, not semi finals mentality

    https://www.allblacks.com/news/finals-mentality-for-the-all-blacks/

    What does that even mean, should you not be mentally right for every game? Do you play better with a final's mentality? Has that been our problem all year, we just didn't have a finals mentality?

    That's being a bit silly. We are talking about slight differences. Even previous coaches realised that a big key to RWC victory was being able to be 'up' for 3 or 4 games in a row and that was a difficult thing to achieve.
    Look at how England, having planned for years to be 'up' for a likely semi against NZ then didn't reach the same levels in the final.
    Shag used to say that he would know sometimes on a Tueday or Wednesday that the team was going to play big on the weekend by subtle differences in the mentality of the team.

    I agree that mindset is a huge part of professional sport and I know the 2011 side had a lot of help in this regard. But you would hope with the number of resources available that the mentality of the players is not the only reason you win or lose. Going by recent results I would suggest Fosters ability to get the players in the right mentality has been fucken woeful.

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    @chimoaus said in Bledisloe 2:

    @Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:

    @chimoaus said in Bledisloe 2:

    @Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:

    Hopefully a finals mentality, not semi finals mentality

    https://www.allblacks.com/news/finals-mentality-for-the-all-blacks/

    What does that even mean, should you not be mentally right for every game? Do you play better with a final's mentality? Has that been our problem all year, we just didn't have a finals mentality?

    That's being a bit silly. We are talking about slight differences. Even previous coaches realised that a big key to RWC victory was being able to be 'up' for 3 or 4 games in a row and that was a difficult thing to achieve.
    Look at how England, having planned for years to be 'up' for a likely semi against NZ then didn't reach the same levels in the final.
    Shag used to say that he would know sometimes on a Tueday or Wednesday that the team was going to play big on the weekend by subtle differences in the mentality of the team.

    I agree that mindset is a huge part of professional sport and I know the 2011 side had a lot of help in this regard. But you would hope with the number of resources available that the mentality of the players is not the only reason you win or lose. Going by recent results I would suggest Fosters ability to get the players in the right mentality has been fucken woeful.

    Again, the minor increments we are talking about can only come alongside other factors. Are you going to be in peak mental state if concerned about errors you made last game or concentrating on a new gameplan or trying to remember new moves etc etc
    I agree that the coaches have to do the best they can to prepare the players mentally but there is a reason that success breeds success (and vice-versa). Confidence is up and many external factors are removed as opposed to trying to create a clear mind.

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    @Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:

    @Stargazer said in Bledisloe 2:

    @Crucial

    Referee: Andrew Brace (IRFU)
    Assistant Referee 1: Mathieu Raynal (FFR)
    Assistant Referee 2: Pierre Brousset (FFR)
    TMO: Ben Whitehouse (WRU)

    Just googled and realised he is another one of these refs that WR rate highly but is prone to controversial performances in big games.
    Yippee.

    At least with Sky NZ we should get plenty of timely replays..

    Still a bit of a lottery and neither team has adapted well to reffing inconsistencies so far this year.

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    This will be Retallick's 98th test match. Assuming he doesn't play against Japan, BBBR will finally become the latest AB centurion in Edinburgh.

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    #199

    @Crucial said in Bledisloe 2:

    @Frye said in Bledisloe 2:

    Interesting that the stand down period for a failed HIA is 7 days. So technically Havili is available for Saturday. Not sure about that as realistically someone with concussion symptoms should only be on light training duties during the week but I'll guess we'll find out.

    That is so out of line with the NZR rugby guidelines. If you even complain of a headache two days after a possible concussion you are on a 21 day stand down with light training only happening toward the latter part of that.
    Apparently test players grow stronger brains?

    WR have learned nothing

    Deserve the lawsuits

    Idiots

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    Ardie at 7!

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    @Bones said in Bledisloe 2:

    Ardie at 7!

    Stats in Rounds 1-4 of the current Rugby Championship, among all four nations:

    First in number of ball carries [51] *
    First in run metres gained by a forward [275 metres]
    First in off-loads
    Second in dominant tackles on defence
    Fourth in breakdown pilfers

    Second Lineout takes for ABs

    (*) Samisoni second 40, "...about two-thirds of Ardie Savea’s metres are made after first contact with the defender(s), so he and Samisoni are ‘YAC (yards after contact) merchants’ for real. It makes for a punishing inside running combination."

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    @Machpants yeah I would be very, very interested in just how his game would look at 7.

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    I'd like to see Dalton given a crack at the starting 7 jersey. He was excellent for the ABs last year, and was probably the most influential player in SR. He hasn't been so effective off the bench this year for the ABs but I think with Cane out this is a good opportunity for him to show what he can do at this level. I'm not convinced Ardie would even want to play u again.

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    @No-Quarter said in Bledisloe 2:

    I'd like to see Dalton given a crack at the starting 7 jersey. He was excellent for the ABs last year, and was probably the most influential player in SR. He hasn't been so effective off the bench this year for the ABs but I think with Cane out this is a good opportunity for him to show what he can do at this level. I'm not convinced Ardie would even want to play u again.

    Also keen to see that, Ardie to captain.

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  • MajorRageM Away
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    Yeah, the back row got well beaten last week.

    I think we were all a bit disappointed with Hoskins, although given the lack of game time, that's to be expected. Papali' has a similar story to tell after Cane went off but I guess the same can apply. And as I've alluded to plenty of times Scott Barrett should never ever be picked at 6 again. The man's a great lock, our current best lock, but is in no way ahead of either of Ioane or Frizell at 6.

    I'd pick Ioane, Ardie & Papali this weekend to start with Frizell on the bench (if he's available). For all of Ioane's detractors, he has consistently performed against Australia.

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    @Machpants said in Bledisloe 2:

    Second in dominant tackles on defence

    I started laughing and found the offending article. The one where they call Ardie the "Samoan-born Hurricane". https://www.rugbypass.com/news/the-all-blacks-cant-afford-to-lose-ardie-savea/

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