All Blacks 2022
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
sometime i feel a lot of these players wouldn;t even watch rugby if they weren't getting payed to play
That is absolutely nothing new though. A few pros I've known often were largely uninterested in anything rugby in their spare time. And I'm thinking back as far as twenty odd years.
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@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Its right at the end if anyone wants to hear the comment (7.25 on)
Ardie does say it does hurt. I thought he came across well. Although the coaches should have stressed the never won in Nz before before the first test
Ardie might be too honest.
The coaches shouldn't need to know this. A good culture driven by high performing players would know their history. Not so long ago I remember players playing out of fear of being the first to lose. This lot appear to be free to "express their skills" as they "walk forward and embrace the challenge" and unencumbered by fear have managed to lose to Argentina, Ireland in Ireland and now Ireland in New Zealand on their way to our lowest historic ranking!
What's next on this rocket ship to mediocrity?
It did seem that the dubious (and factually incorrect) media campaign about Ireland never winning in New Zealand may have confused the general public, and some diehard fans.
But, I expect that anyone valuing the culture and history of NZ rugby, including the AB coaches, would have known that Ireland won several matches on their tour in 1976 (including against a Manawatu team with 11 All Blacks and a strong North Auckland team lead by Sid Going.) Maybe Ardie was a bit coy, not wanting to embarrass the media and sponsors on that one. They should have left it as "never beaten the All Blacks in NZ" and not made fools of themselves around the first Maori match.
Good on ya Ardie. Having been to an Origin match live, I get the reference.
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@ARHS said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Its right at the end if anyone wants to hear the comment (7.25 on)
Ardie does say it does hurt. I thought he came across well. Although the coaches should have stressed the never won in Nz before before the first test
Ardie might be too honest.
The coaches shouldn't need to know this. A good culture driven by high performing players would know their history. Not so long ago I remember players playing out of fear of being the first to lose. This lot appear to be free to "express their skills" as they "walk forward and embrace the challenge" and unencumbered by fear have managed to lose to Argentina, Ireland in Ireland and now Ireland in New Zealand on their way to our lowest historic ranking!
What's next on this rocket ship to mediocrity?
It did seem that the dubious (and factually incorrect) media campaign about Ireland never winning in New Zealand may have confused the general public, and some diehard fans.
Anyone remotely interested would understand the reference is to Ireland beating the All Blacks.
But, I expect that anyone valuing the culture and history of NZ rugby, including the AB coaches, would have known that Ireland won several matches on their tour in 1976 (including against a Manawatu team with 11 All Blacks and a strong North Auckland team lead by Sid Going.) Maybe Ardie was a bit coy, not wanting to embarrass the media and sponsors on that one. They should have left it as "never beaten the All Blacks in NZ" and not made fools of themselves around the first Maori match.
Good on ya Ardie. Having been to an Origin match live, I get the reference.
Yeah, in messaging to the New Zealand rugby public, he references SoO as if that would explain it to them.
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@antipodean yeah I've been to an origin live and I think it's a shithouse reference. Must have been to the wrong live origin.
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@MN5 said in All Blacks 2022:
@nostrildamus said in All Blacks 2022:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks 2022:
you know what is fucking me off?
look, i know PR is a thing, and you need to plant your own message
but seriously, the relentless optimism and excuse making is pretty fucking rough to take. Just once, admit we were a bit shit and we have some stuff to work on? Shit even Craig Bellamy will tell you when things aren't going well, and they win like 80% of the games they play.
Last year it was a tough end to a long year.
This year, when surely Ireland have that excuse, it's cards and unforeseen circumstances.We're not improving mate. Saturday looked a lot like Dublin in November. A smashed pack rendering our backline useless. Our ball slow, their ball not, creaky set piece.
South Africa (loss)
USA (win)
Wales (win)
Italy (win)
Ireland (loss)
France (loss)
Ireland (win
Ireland (loss)that's fucking dogshit. Admit it is FFS.
But we beat USA!
By next year it could be much closer
Be thankful that we keep dodging Japan too. They’re on the up.
This is Scotland's year. Remember they almost beat us in 2017.
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@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
jesus thats bad
seriously though, is there a chance he's played in all the losses? cant be bothered going back and looking at the squads, if so i wonder about how many head knocks hes had if he cant remember being part of the FIRST loss to ireland and therefore they cant have won in NZ before
sometime i feel a lot of these players wouldn;t even watch rugby if they weren't getting payed to play
ok, i couldn't help myself, went back, Ardie has played in all 4 losses to Ireland (bench for the soldier field game), the fact he is so unaware is shocking
Probably no YouTube highlights of him from those games to watch back
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@Bovidae said in All Blacks 2022:
@stodders said in All Blacks 2022:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks 2022:
@junior I would argue Sam Whitelock has had a bit to do with the success we’ve had during those winning times.
Possibly another reason why things turned to custard with him absent on the weekend.
That didn't seem to help in Dublin and Paris last year when Whitelock was the captain. It's more about the lack of nous and game awareness from team than just the captain.
Yeah this whole situation is not about one person or one thing. It’s a culmination of several issues.
Whitelock’s presence no doubt makes a difference to our chances of winning in terms of his on field play and experience - 133 tests and only 16 losses. All of our great captains saw losses. It’s all part of the learning process for them.
To be honest, I don't think either Cane or Whitelock have been great AB captains, but I don't blame them for that. When you look at all the extra lifting both those guys have to do on the pitch, they simply can't take the "broader view" of any match in the way we would like. A lot has to rest on the "drivers" of the team here and they have sadly not done well enough.
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@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
Although the coaches should have stressed the never won in Nz before before the first test
Seriously?
If the coaches have to tell a bloke who's captained the All Blacks that their opponents have never won in NZ, then we are truly fucked
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@ARHS said in All Blacks 2022:
It did seem that the dubious (and factually incorrect) media campaign about Ireland never winning in New Zealand may have confused the general public, and some diehard fans.
Thanks. I thought it was said 'never won in New Zealand' as opposed to never won a TEST in NZ.
Never winning in NZ is not correct. But I assume some assumed it was never won a match. Its almost pointless saying never won a test in NZ as most know this.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
Although the coaches should have stressed the never won in Nz before before the first test
Seriously?
If the coaches have to tell a bloke who's captained the All Blacks that their opponents have never won in NZ, then we are truly fucked
and as i pointed out HE PLAYED IN THE FIRST LOSS EVER! he cant have missed that after the game
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
Although the coaches should have stressed the never won in Nz before before the first test
Seriously?
If the coaches have to tell a bloke who's captained the All Blacks that their opponents have never won in NZ, then we are truly fucked
Never won a TEST in NZ.
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@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Its right at the end if anyone wants to hear the comment (7.25 on)
Ardie does say it does hurt. I thought he came across well. Although the coaches should have stressed the never won in Nz before before the first test
Ardie might be too honest.
The coaches shouldn't need to know this. A good culture driven by high performing players would know their history. Not so long ago I remember players playing out of fear of being the first to lose. This lot appear to be free to "express their skills" as they "walk forward and embrace the challenge" and unencumbered by fear have managed to lose to Argentina, Ireland in Ireland and now Ireland in New Zealand on their way to our lowest historic ranking!
What's next on this rocket ship to mediocrity?
Players have different interests. Some wnat to know all the stats. Other don't. The coache should have used this as a motivational factor. Maybe this is part of the issue with these Foster teams
BTW how many games have Ireland won in NZ. Including all matches..
Oh fuck off. Players that actually care about legacy, as they keep crapping on about, would know this shit.
Correct, you can't care about a legacy without knowing what the fuck that legacy is!
My view is the coaches / management have failed badly. More so than the player.
It's not the coach's job to instill pride in the jersey and its legacy for a player with 61 caps.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Its right at the end if anyone wants to hear the comment (7.25 on)
Ardie does say it does hurt. I thought he came across well. Although the coaches should have stressed the never won in Nz before before the first test
Ardie might be too honest.
The coaches shouldn't need to know this. A good culture driven by high performing players would know their history. Not so long ago I remember players playing out of fear of being the first to lose. This lot appear to be free to "express their skills" as they "walk forward and embrace the challenge" and unencumbered by fear have managed to lose to Argentina, Ireland in Ireland and now Ireland in New Zealand on their way to our lowest historic ranking!
What's next on this rocket ship to mediocrity?
Players have different interests. Some wnat to know all the stats. Other don't. The coache should have used this as a motivational factor. Maybe this is part of the issue with these Foster teams
BTW how many games have Ireland won in NZ. Including all matches..
Oh fuck off. Players that actually care about legacy, as they keep crapping on about, would know this shit.
Correct, you can't care about a legacy without knowing what the fuck that legacy is!
My view is the coaches / management have failed badly. More so than the player.
It's not the coach's job to instill pride in the jersey and its legacy for a player with 61 caps.
Why not. Even the most capped player can need a motivational lift every so often. ABs are not non human supermen. But it would be a team talk not aimed at one player
Time for the rugby
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@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Its right at the end if anyone wants to hear the comment (7.25 on)
Ardie does say it does hurt. I thought he came across well. Although the coaches should have stressed the never won in Nz before before the first test
Ardie might be too honest.
The coaches shouldn't need to know this. A good culture driven by high performing players would know their history. Not so long ago I remember players playing out of fear of being the first to lose. This lot appear to be free to "express their skills" as they "walk forward and embrace the challenge" and unencumbered by fear have managed to lose to Argentina, Ireland in Ireland and now Ireland in New Zealand on their way to our lowest historic ranking!
What's next on this rocket ship to mediocrity?
Players have different interests. Some wnat to know all the stats. Other don't. The coache should have used this as a motivational factor. Maybe this is part of the issue with these Foster teams
BTW how many games have Ireland won in NZ. Including all matches..
Oh fuck off. Players that actually care about legacy, as they keep crapping on about, would know this shit.
Correct, you can't care about a legacy without knowing what the fuck that legacy is!
My view is the coaches / management have failed badly. More so than the player.
It's not the coach's job to instill pride in the jersey and its legacy for a player with 61 caps.
Why not. Even the most capped player can need a motivational lift every so often. ABs are not non human supermen. But it would be a team talk not aimed at one player
Time for the rugby
If any player with 60+ caps needs a coach to constantly remind him of the team's legacy, it's time for that player to go.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@Machpants said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@Winger said in All Blacks 2022:
@antipodean said in All Blacks 2022:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks 2022:
Ardie Savea saying in his press conference today that he didn't know that the All Blacks had never lost to Ireland in NZ before Saturday.
Seriously wtf?
A senior leader in the team and the ABs home record isn't touched upon at all in the leadup to the series?
What the hell is going on with the AB culture?
I look at this interview and I wonder much the same thing. Where's the pride? They talk about it but no one seemed upset to be the player that ruined a legacy in a dog shit performance.
It looks to me that the pendulum has gone too far. Once upon a time there were good men who took ownership and drove high performance within the team environment. Now it seems that's taken for granted rather than delegated based on performance.
"It's like an Origin decider" No fluffybunny. It's much more important than that.
Its right at the end if anyone wants to hear the comment (7.25 on)
Ardie does say it does hurt. I thought he came across well. Although the coaches should have stressed the never won in Nz before before the first test
Ardie might be too honest.
The coaches shouldn't need to know this. A good culture driven by high performing players would know their history. Not so long ago I remember players playing out of fear of being the first to lose. This lot appear to be free to "express their skills" as they "walk forward and embrace the challenge" and unencumbered by fear have managed to lose to Argentina, Ireland in Ireland and now Ireland in New Zealand on their way to our lowest historic ranking!
What's next on this rocket ship to mediocrity?
Players have different interests. Some wnat to know all the stats. Other don't. The coache should have used this as a motivational factor. Maybe this is part of the issue with these Foster teams
BTW how many games have Ireland won in NZ. Including all matches..
Oh fuck off. Players that actually care about legacy, as they keep crapping on about, would know this shit.
Correct, you can't care about a legacy without knowing what the fuck that legacy is!
My view is the coaches / management have failed badly. More so than the player.
It's not the coach's job to instill pride in the jersey and its legacy for a player with 61 caps.
Why not. Even the most capped player can need a motivational lift every so often. ABs are not non human supermen. But it would be a team talk not aimed at one player
Time for the rugby
If any player with 60+ caps needs a coach to constantly remind him of the team's legacy, it's time for that player to go.
Especially when that coach has never worn the jersey, so can't speak from a position of authority. This is why Ted and then Hansen put this responsibility onto the players.
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@Bones said in All Blacks 2022:
@Kiwiwomble said in All Blacks 2022:
sometime i feel a lot of these players wouldn;t even watch rugby if they weren't getting payed to play
That is absolutely nothing new though. A few pros I've known often were largely uninterested in anything rugby in their spare time. And I'm thinking back as far as twenty odd years.
Yeah I’ve heard of pro tennis players, basketballers, Aussie rules players that don’t just sit around and watch the sport they play or follow stats etc, other than the stuff they have to review as part of their match prep.
