Depth at 10
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@mick-gold-coast-qld said in Depth at 10:
@arhs said in Depth at 10:
...Richie M is still gaining test experience and may improve markedly. He just needs to develop ...
After four years an All Black and 33 matches? Of course ... 🤣🤣
We've experienced his experience and he doesn't look like a World Cup player.
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@crazy-horse Hope the Hurricane pick him up. They are showing a lot of faith in Aidan Morgan and Reuban Love.
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Our pack laid a platform today and the backs didn't know what to fucking do with it
Our 2 tens are the same player, one just has more experience. I think BB is.all sorts.of ordinary but he's clearly the better test player
Both should be sent away to watch Aaron Cruden film, a player with less talent, less size, but at least knew how to attack in test football.
Running sideways is for kids.
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@taniwharugby said in Depth at 10:
@gt12 or TJ could re-invent himself at 10...
but gee the cupboard is bare.
I think both RM & BB have the ability, but our forwards arent giving them the platform they need, plus they dont have a plan b when the platform isnt there, which is a coaching issue, but tbf, both struggle at super when the heat is on too, so yeah.
The problem for both RM and BB is mainly their inability to kick themselves and the team out of trouble. This means they can only really only run or shovel on bad ball.
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@junior said in Depth at 10:
@taniwharugby said in Depth at 10:
@gt12 or TJ could re-invent himself at 10...
but gee the cupboard is bare.
I think both RM & BB have the ability, but our forwards arent giving them the platform they need, plus they dont have a plan b when the platform isnt there, which is a coaching issue, but tbf, both struggle at super when the heat is on too, so yeah.
The problem for both RM and BB is mainly their inability to kick themselves and the team out of trouble. This means they can only really only run or shovel on bad ball.
This. BB has never really had a good long kicking game, has he? I always wonder why he takes penalties for touch with his pop-gun boot when his younger brother has a howitzer.
Last night, every time the ABs gave away a penalty, the French line kicker would put the ball back to or in the AB 22m. Huge territorial gains. It is small wins like this that the ABs need to focus on. When given the opportunity, surely it is worth grabbing 50m of territory rather than 20m!
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Bergus Furke (for the life of me I can't say it the right way around) was backup 10 for Saders last year.
Is there any potential there? Did he play NPC (I saw f-all)?
Bit of talk around McClutchie. Anyone who isn't @Stargazer got an opinion on his future?
Also previous age group hype around Rivez Reihana. What's the story with him?
Like the idea of Sullivan what little I've seen.
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@booboo said in Depth at 10:
Bergus Furke (for the life of me I can't say it the right way around) was backup 10 for Saders last year.
Is there any potential there? Did he play NPC (I saw f-all)?
He struggled a bit. Doubt he'll have much impact on Super Rugby next year
I suspect the Crusaders 10's will be ranked in this order:
Richie Mo’unga, David Havili, Simon Hickey, Fergus Burke -
@duluth said in Depth at 10:
@booboo said in Depth at 10:
Bergus Furke (for the life of me I can't say it the right way around) was backup 10 for Saders last year.
Is there any potential there? Did he play NPC (I saw f-all)?
He struggled a bit. Doubt he'll have much impact on Super Rugby next year
I suspect the Crusaders 10's will be ranked in this order:
Richie Mo’unga, David Havili, Simon Hickey, Fergus BurkeThe fact that the Crusaders have Hickey in their squad tells you everything we need to know about the depth of ten in NZ. (All the best to him, seems like a good guy, but....)
We are stuck with these two guys and now have a desperate need to develop a third now DMac (basically RM lite) is gone overseas. ABs need to pick a young guy they think has the game for Test rugby (ignore Super Rugby form, it just gives us more players like RM) and get him ready.
Good luck <insert eye roll emoji>
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@booboo said in Depth at 10:
Like the idea of Sullivan what little I've seen.
I like him at fullback. Safe under the high ball, picks when to join the line well & he has a massive boot to punish poor kicks. He looks very comfortable there
Also I see MacDonald mentioned three other players at 10 today (Barrett, Plummer, Perofeta)
I think Sullivan will remain the starting fullback and they won't move him -
@duluth said in Depth at 10:
@booboo said in Depth at 10:
Like the idea of Sullivan what little I've seen.
I like him at fullback. Safe under the high ball, picks when to join the line well & he has a massive boot to punish poor kicks. He looks very comfortable there
Also I see MacDonald mentioned three other players at 10 today (Barrett, Plummer, Perofeta)
I think Sullivan will remain the starting fullback and they won't move himYep, he's like a mixture of Carter and Dagg at fullback (not saying he's as good as Carter, just is the player he reminds me of most). Has a huge boot.
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@kirwan said in Depth at 10:
@duluth said in Depth at 10:
@booboo said in Depth at 10:
Like the idea of Sullivan what little I've seen.
I like him at fullback. Safe under the high ball, picks when to join the line well & he has a massive boot to punish poor kicks. He looks very comfortable there
Also I see MacDonald mentioned three other players at 10 today (Barrett, Plummer, Perofeta)
I think Sullivan will remain the starting fullback and they won't move himYep, he's like a mixture of Carter and Dagg at fullback (not saying he's as good as Carter, just is the player he reminds me of most). Has a huge boot.
Didn't hurt Carter to start outside 10, either. Get a chance to see high quality 10 in action, but without the pressure of having to drive the team yourself.
RM did teh same, and it's benefitted him.
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@nzzp said in Depth at 10:
@kirwan said in Depth at 10:
@duluth said in Depth at 10:
@booboo said in Depth at 10:
Like the idea of Sullivan what little I've seen.
I like him at fullback. Safe under the high ball, picks when to join the line well & he has a massive boot to punish poor kicks. He looks very comfortable there
Also I see MacDonald mentioned three other players at 10 today (Barrett, Plummer, Perofeta)
I think Sullivan will remain the starting fullback and they won't move himYep, he's like a mixture of Carter and Dagg at fullback (not saying he's as good as Carter, just is the player he reminds me of most). Has a huge boot.
Didn't hurt Carter to start outside 10, either. Get a chance to see high quality 10 in action, but without the pressure of having to drive the team yourself.
RM did teh same, and it's benefitted him.
i use to use that example and talked up Josh Ioane at 12 as a way to get him to the next level....and then we tried it and bit us in the arse
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@kiwiwomble said in Depth at 10:
@nzzp said in Depth at 10:
@kirwan said in Depth at 10:
@duluth said in Depth at 10:
@booboo said in Depth at 10:
Like the idea of Sullivan what little I've seen.
I like him at fullback. Safe under the high ball, picks when to join the line well & he has a massive boot to punish poor kicks. He looks very comfortable there
Also I see MacDonald mentioned three other players at 10 today (Barrett, Plummer, Perofeta)
I think Sullivan will remain the starting fullback and they won't move himYep, he's like a mixture of Carter and Dagg at fullback (not saying he's as good as Carter, just is the player he reminds me of most). Has a huge boot.
Didn't hurt Carter to start outside 10, either. Get a chance to see high quality 10 in action, but without the pressure of having to drive the team yourself.
RM did teh same, and it's benefitted him.
i use to use that example and talked up Josh Ioane at 12 as a way to get him to the next level....and then we tried it and bit us in the arse
yeah. Tough eh, but there is a track record of it succeeding.
Also, if you can play 12 it's good learning to play defensively at 10. BB used to be an absolute turnstile at the top level; he's really picked up his game in that area. not even talked about any more.
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@nzzp said in Depth at 10:
@kiwiwomble said in Depth at 10:
@nzzp said in Depth at 10:
@kirwan said in Depth at 10:
@duluth said in Depth at 10:
@booboo said in Depth at 10:
Like the idea of Sullivan what little I've seen.
I like him at fullback. Safe under the high ball, picks when to join the line well & he has a massive boot to punish poor kicks. He looks very comfortable there
Also I see MacDonald mentioned three other players at 10 today (Barrett, Plummer, Perofeta)
I think Sullivan will remain the starting fullback and they won't move himYep, he's like a mixture of Carter and Dagg at fullback (not saying he's as good as Carter, just is the player he reminds me of most). Has a huge boot.
Didn't hurt Carter to start outside 10, either. Get a chance to see high quality 10 in action, but without the pressure of having to drive the team yourself.
RM did teh same, and it's benefitted him.
i use to use that example and talked up Josh Ioane at 12 as a way to get him to the next level....and then we tried it and bit us in the arse
yeah. Tough eh, but there is a track record of it succeeding.
Also, if you can play 12 it's good learning to play defensively at 10. BB used to be an absolute turnstile at the top level; he's really picked up his game in that area. not even talked about any more.
you're right, i thin it says more about Josh or at least where he was headspace wise last year, its one of the problems with these relatively short super seasons, you just dont have the time to try stuff out, lose 2 or 3 and your on the ropes
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@duluth said in Depth at 10:
@booboo said in Depth at 10:
Like the idea of Sullivan what little I've seen.
I like him at fullback. Safe under the high ball, picks when to join the line well & he has a massive boot to punish poor kicks. He looks very comfortable there
Also I see MacDonald mentioned three other players at 10 today (Barrett, Plummer, Perofeta)
I think Sullivan will remain the starting fullback and they won't move himI agree that they will use him where he fits best in their team but long term I would love to see what he could do at 10. His boot seems not only big (if that was a criteria Stevenson would be a star) but accurate AND he seemingly has that elusive quality of time with the ball to make the right decisions. All attributes needed at 10 and all things that our current 10s don't have.
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