All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug
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@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@crucial said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@crucial said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
jesus, it's like they make a couple of decisions just to fuck with the public. It all looks so good, and then we end up with fucking Ardie at 8 again. And seriously, if DMac's last test didn't play him out of the spot, then it is impossible to get dropped from the ABs
We are desperately short at fullback.
What did DMac do so poorly in his last test?
Serious question as I’m trying to remember. Even went back to the thread to see if it was just me forgetting things.
Sure the DMac v JB debate continues with merit and there are fairly valid concerns on the overall size of the backline (that shouldn’t have to be fixed by the 15).
There are also the old perceptions of headless chook play based on previous years that haven’t been shaken.
I remember the amazing chase back, tackle and turnover but that’s about it.My memory (other than awesome try saver) is getting tackled easily behind the advantage line. The bigger players are able to stand in the tackle longer.
DMac has a similar problem to Bridge but for different reasons. If he’s not in space then he doesn’t offer much. Bridge has concrete feet, and DMac might be too small for fullback.
I’d put him on the right wing and let him pop up whenever he likes. Could be freed from the requirements of fullback and we could actually get full value from him. Cory Jane style fullback winger.
I get all that. I’m not trying to argue that he is the best 15 just that he didn’t deserve the comment that he played himself out of the team in his last outing.
Yes his weakness at test level is size simply because it’s more likely that he will be caught upright in the carry and get driven back. The counter to that is elusiveness.Yes, but as the standard of opposition gets stronger then that weakness gets exploited more. Particularly with Reece on the wing as well, not a great defender and also a midget.
Yep. As I said, not the perfect answer but still performs more often than not.
I’m not a Jordie fan because I don’t see him having as much vision which, to me, is the most important skill at 15. He doesn’t cover the ground that is needed for the current game plan where the 15 is expected to continually come up. I don’t know if the tactic is the best but it’s what the coaches want and DMac does it better.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@tim said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Not sure about that back three's ability under the ball.
A game against SA would have a totally different back three with Jordan and JB in there to provide extra height.
come on, are you seriously telling me that in 2021, when this style of kicking has been around for a decade and a half, and with specialist coaching we are still wedded to teh idea that you need to pick tall wingers no matter what else they offer just to catch high balls? That's idiotic.
Even the Africans pick midgets on the wing. Rugby League wingers are still often short but are excellent under the high ball. Coaching is a thing guys
Cory Jane wants to have a word
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Pretty happy with this team selection
D Mac
worked well with Mounga as a dual
Play maker. I think that’s a big reason for his selection.
Reiko
on the wing it’s his best position gives us a lethal finisher on the left side.
Reece
I like Jordan as well,but Foster did mention Reece was asked to up his work rate and he has,
Every game he has been everywhere getting into the game.MF and half’s Awesome all creators.
Most exciting backline we have put out for quite awhile.Forward pack
Great to see two jackels in the LF combo,needed I think playing Aussie.
Our two best Locks back togetherFront row
Great impact from the Bench in Coles and our 2 better ball running props to combat Australia’s props who make a big impact with ball in hand from their Bench.Overall not a Foster fan,but I see the makings of a game plan and the direction we may be going which is positive,so pleasantly surprised.
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@nta said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@derpus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
That team is going to fucking spank us. Where is Jordie on the wing? Akira Ioane at 6? Brodie Retallick back.
Ballsacks.
Alright @Derpus what are we going down by? Auckland will be overcast and dry (for Auckland) around 13C at kickoff.
I'll say ABs 53-12 Wobs.
Oh fuck off
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@junior said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@bovidae said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@tim said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
Not sure about that back three's ability under the ball.
A game against SA would have a totally different back three with Jordan and JB in there to provide extra height.
come on, are you seriously telling me that in 2021, when this style of kicking has been around for a decade and a half, and with specialist coaching we are still wedded to teh idea that you need to pick tall wingers no matter what else they offer just to catch high balls? That's idiotic.
Even the Africans pick midgets on the wing. Rugby League wingers are still often short but are excellent under the high ball. Coaching is a thing guys
Cory Jane wants to have a word
He wasn't a midget. Amazingly safe under the high ball and probably the best fend I can recall.
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@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@nta said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@derpus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
That team is going to fucking spank us. Where is Jordie on the wing? Akira Ioane at 6? Brodie Retallick back.
Ballsacks.
Alright @Derpus what are we going down by? Auckland will be overcast and dry (for Auckland) around 13C at kickoff.
I'll say ABs 53-12 Wobs.
Oh fuck off
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You’re just encouraging him. -
I am pretty pleased with this line up, considering Jordan is injured. I am just a bit mitigated about Bower, for the same reasons many of you have pointed out. I don't think he will travel to France in 2023 so his selection is rather odd as it would have been a good occasion to test De Groot against a solid opposition.
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@pakman said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@booboo said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@nta said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@derpus said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
That team is going to fucking spank us. Where is Jordie on the wing? Akira Ioane at 6? Brodie Retallick back.
Ballsacks.
Alright @Derpus what are we going down by? Auckland will be overcast and dry (for Auckland) around 13C at kickoff.
I'll say ABs 53-12 Wobs.
Oh fuck off
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You’re just encouraging him.54-10 now 😬
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@bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@kirwan who should be on the wing then?
Ioane at 11, if fit Jordan on the right. With Jordan injured I would try DMac on the wing, he’s pretty creative and could make a difference there. Certainly fast enough and a good finisher.
I’d have BB at 15, then JB if his brother really doesn’t want to play there anymore. But seeing as RI wants to be a 13 and is playing 11, is that really a factor in selection?
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Damien is simply not good enough at test-level; runs sideways; gets rag-dolled and opposition love to see his name on the team-list.
McKenzie is not an international fullback full-stop, he's too short, too lightweight and looses the ball in the collision far too often. And he constantly gets isolated, as he often runs away from his support players.
Play him against tier-two opponents and he looks a million dollars, play him against big imposing physical sides and he'll get flattened, time and again.
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@crucial said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@gt12 said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@crucial said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
I remember the amazing chase back, tackle and turnover but that’s about it.
that's the one highlight.
made errors, complete non-entity on attack.
we lack a great fullback.
One kick out on the full, 3 turnovers conceded, and 11 total metres (2nd worst back by metres, I think).
He did apparently beat two defenders and get away one offload, plus that fantastic chase and tackle, but overall he was poor in his contributions.
Thanks for backing up the sentiment. The match thread didn’t seem to be too worried at the time.
As I said I didn’t recall him having a horror so was trying to understand the comment that he played himself out of the team.
To be honest though it wasn’t a game made for him. All of our tries were scored from 15 metres out. Just watched the highlights tape and in Reece’s second DMac drew two defenders to leave Sevu unmarked. In Jordan’s try he was running a second hole in case Jordan’s run didn’t get through and in the build up to another he took us from a static position to a metre out stepping through two defenders.
I agree that the position is still debatable just don’t see him as the worst option.But it's DMac, of course he he was shit because DMac.
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@kirwan said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@bones said in All Blacks vs Wallabies Bledisloe 1 Eden Park 7th Aug:
@kirwan who should be on the wing then?
Ioane at 11, if fit Jordan on the right. With Jordan injured I would try DMac on the wing, he’s pretty creative and could make a difference there. Certainly fast enough and a good finisher.
I’d have BB at 15, then JB if his brother really doesn’t want to play there anymore. But seeing as RI wants to be a 13 and is playing 11, is that really a factor in selection?
Sounds like your issue is more with 15 then? I'd much rather have a proven winger on the wing than a guy who can be pretty mercurial in positions he has actually played before.
Australia aren't Fiji or Tonga.
