Springboks v British & Irish Lions I
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@pakman said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Watched at pub, and banter made commentators hard to hear. But stat flashed up of penalty count of 8 -1 in second half. Without a rewatch, that seems unlikely to have been a fair reflection.
17 - 10 at 50, and I had a feeling missed conversion could be important, which it was.
A bit like a boxing bout in the old days where ref’s call was the decider.
Nothing in it, and both sides will be better next week. Selection will be very interesting!Now watched third quarter.
Penalty against Kwagga for strip was bogus. Yes, it was similar to Daly one in first, but Nic Berry NOT the same. Ball had been ripped before call of tackle. No doubt, Berry felt he was being consistent, but that was three that shouldn’t have been added.
Le Roux non-try was correct result for me, but call wrong. Allowing for the angle he was behind boot. But previous pass clearly forward.
Not seen commented on, but Price’s left foot clearances against left touch were solid gold in Q3.
Not only completely relieved territory pressure, but also led promptly to Lions try and also one of the penalties.
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@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@catogrande said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@antipodean said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Not joking- bored shitless watching that. If it wasn't a Lions Test I'd have stopped watching.
Also, how does Nic Berry get a Lions Test ffs?
I have to say that despite being heavily invested, ‘cos Lions, it didn’t grab me. The intensity was there but it was all a bit bish, bash, bosh from both sides.
Huh it's weird, because it's pretty much the inverse for me.
It was a much better second half, but it did go to pot a bit in the last 15 mins. The Boks started to look quite threatening in the period book-ended by their non-tries but their inherent conservatism and lack of a Plan B made it easy for guys like Murray and Farrell when they came on to take the game away just by keeping the ball in the Boks' half
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@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Wasn't impressed with Curry at all in the first half (although I wasn't impressed by anyone apart from Itoje). Gave away 3(?) penalties, and didn't offer much. Gutted that Tipuric wasn't available.
The two first half penalties Curry gave away were the late hit on Faf and not rolling away when he was caught and pinned by SA - I would argue that the late hit upset Fafs kicking game and there was nothing more Curry could have done to roll away as he was largely out of the way and struggling to get out from under the SA players. I didn't see a third penalty - was Curry the second player in the tackle with Daly when le Roux took a high ball and the Lions were pinged (correctly) for not releasing the player when he got a knee down to the ground?
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@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I feel like I’m missing something, there is loads of banter on the socials about the game being a bit of a hiding, felt to me like they limped over the line
Scorewise, not so much but SA's second half points and near misses came from mistakes rather than pressure.
In the second half, possession and particularly territory stats were heavily in the Lions favour. The Lions seemed to be able to win lineouts and setup mauls at will, the scrums were either stable or the Lions were able to pressure SA and tacticswise SA appeared to either have none or didn't have the energy to execute them.
Not a hiding but 19-5 in the second half is a fair reflection and there may be a little panic in the SA camp to address the weaknesses (i.e. a physical number 8 and at least one front row that can last more than 30 mins).
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@pecotrain said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I feel like I’m missing something, there is loads of banter on the socials about the game being a bit of a hiding, felt to me like they limped over the line
Scorewise, not so much but SA's second half points and near misses came from mistakes rather than pressure.
In the second half, possession and particularly territory stats were heavily in the Lions favour. The Lions seemed to be able to win lineouts and setup mauls at will, the scrums were either stable or the Lions were able to pressure SA and tacticswise SA appeared to either have none or didn't have the energy to execute them.
Not a hiding but 19-5 in the second half is a fair reflection and there may be a little panic in the SA camp to address the weaknesses (i.e. a physical number 8 and at least one front row that can last more than 30 mins).
I thought the first front row unit went well.
I'd have kept them on longer.
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Anyone heard if Biggar's knee is still concussed?
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@mikethesnow said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@pecotrain said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwiwomble said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
I feel like I’m missing something, there is loads of banter on the socials about the game being a bit of a hiding, felt to me like they limped over the line
Scorewise, not so much but SA's second half points and near misses came from mistakes rather than pressure.
In the second half, possession and particularly territory stats were heavily in the Lions favour. The Lions seemed to be able to win lineouts and setup mauls at will, the scrums were either stable or the Lions were able to pressure SA and tacticswise SA appeared to either have none or didn't have the energy to execute them.
Not a hiding but 19-5 in the second half is a fair reflection and there may be a little panic in the SA camp to address the weaknesses (i.e. a physical number 8 and at least one front row that can last more than 30 mins).
I thought the first front row unit went well.
I'd have kept them on longer.
The first SA front row? They tired badly in the last 10 minutes of the first half and looked like they were starting to struggle at scrumtime and around the park. I was expecting SA to replace their front row after 50-60 mins but I'm not sure they had that much left. While they had the upper hand in the first 30 minutes, I'm not sure how much of that was down to the Lions forward pack getting into the game.
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@mikethesnow
Only news I can find is https://www.ruck.co.uk/lions-injury-update-biggar-and-jones-out-russell-returns/
When asked about Biggar, Gatland responded: “We’ll have to see. It’s a tricky one”I assume that means its not tricky at all and he's not available. Think he already had a knee niggle so this has made it worse.
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@pecotrain said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@mikethesnow
Only news I can find is https://www.ruck.co.uk/lions-injury-update-biggar-and-jones-out-russell-returns/
When asked about Biggar, Gatland responded: “We’ll have to see. It’s a tricky one”I assume that means its not tricky at all and he's not available. Think he already had a knee niggle so this has made it worse.
From the article it says he failed his HIA.
At the time I thought it was a knee injury and some shrewd/dodgy coaching from Gatland to take Biggar off for a HIA so Daly could come back on.
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@pecotrain After 60 it could have/should have been 19 - 13, which would have been a fair reflection.
Territory in Q3 reflected excellent kick chase by Lions and poor reception by Boks more than a sea change.
That said, will later watch Q4, and at the 60 apparent that several of Boks out of gas. -
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60-70 Three fairly average decisions in 10. de Klerk kick caught in play by Kolbe, but ruled out on full. Then line out penalty kicked. If lineout in correct position would have been too far out.
Watson > 90 degrees. Pollard misses.
Scrum penalty against Boks around 69 for ‘walking around’. Looked more to me that Sinckler backed off and AWJ/Itoje pushed on angle causing scrum to pivot. Malherbe went forward. Relieved a period of pressure by Boks.
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70-80. De Allande try was inches from being legit. Sheer luck.
Lions Maul gives rise to fair penalty. Came after three dropped balls by Boks, losing 30m each time.
Five points too much to claw back.
Lions box kicking in second half won that for them, hence Lions 47% of time between Bok 22 and halfway.
But at least three dubious reffing decisions led to six dodgy points and playing last 10 with 15, when 14 was justified.
Neither side showed much attacking skill, albeit Boks very dangerous in broken play.
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@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@pakman said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Scrum penalty against Boks around 69 for ‘walking around’.
Stop it
Aussies don’t like that sort of play!
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@pakman said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@bones said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@pakman said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Scrum penalty against Boks around 69 for ‘walking around’.
Stop it
Aussies don’t like that sort of play!
Walking the 69 around is absolutely showing off.
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Just watched the second half again.
More @pakman commentary.
There is period from about 55 to 65 where the Springboks just got zero luck. It starts with the penalty against Kwagga for the strip. Not wrong, but just so close to a great play.
Then from the kickoff there's a box kick, which looks (in my biased opinion) to go forward off VDM, but not called. A little later there is a knock on called from a kick that is then played by a player in front but not called. Faf kicks the ball out on the full, but Kolbe is able regather and get a foot in play. But the refs miss it so the Lions get get a line out that they mauled for a penalty that is now in range.
Shortly thereafter Watson is very lucky to stay on after tips tackles Le Roux.
I don't mean that we got screwed by the ref, and I still think Berry is the best ref we'll have in this series, but sometimes you need a bit of luck to go your way. These types of close calls going against you compounds into pressure especially if they follow so closely on each other.
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@sidbarret said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Just watched the second half again.
More @pakman commentary.
There is period from about 55 to 65 where the Springboks just got zero luck. It starts with the penalty against Kwagga for the strip. Not wrong, but just so close to a great play.
Then from the kickoff there's a box kick, which looks (in my biased opinion) to go forward off VDM, but not called. A little later there is a knock on called from a kick that is then played by a player in front but not called. Faf kicks the ball out on the full, but Kolbe is able regather and get a foot in play. But the refs miss it so the Lions get get a line out that they mauled for a penalty that is now in range.
Shortly thereafter Watson is very lucky to stay on after tips tackles Le Roux.
I don't mean that we got screwed by the ref, and I still think Berry is the best ref we'll have in this series, but sometimes you need a bit of luck to go your way. These types of close calls going against you compounds into pressure especially if they follow so closely on each other.
Point being that Boks being 5 behind at end was unlucky, and allowed Lions to close it out. If 2 points different ball game!
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Tactically South Africa needs to find a way to generate go forward off static ball especially around their own ten meter line. The box kick is fine, but you can't always kick to set defendses.
There were also at least two scrum advantages where we used low percentage kicks instead of setting up attacks.
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Yeah mate, we did get the rub of the green. I don’t think that many of those rub of the green calls were that bad, Kwagga’s strip and the tip tackle aside. The rest for me were close calls, just this time they all seemed to go our way. But that’s test match rugby, you weren’t robbed but similarly if you’d have won, it wouldn’t have been an injustice. The Bok indiscipline in the second half was the most telling factor.
