Springboks v British & Irish Lions I
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@arhs said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Thought only Daly and Curry under performed for Lions.
Daly was nonexistent. I also thought Cowan-Dickie was a bit poo and was surprised George didn't start.
But the Boks lost it with a poor impact from the entire bench. I did not expect that.
Yeah that was weird - you look at that bench and think most of them (particularly forwards) are genuine starting contenders, but they just didn't show up. Particularly the front row.
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Almost finished, there boks just turned to shit. So their physicality went down, front row were awful, and their skills didn't improve. Neither did the lions, but their fitness saw them through.
Edit: some of the kicks in play was pretty good, I must admit, ABs could learn there. Pity there was so much of it
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The big improvement in British test sides in the past ten to twelve years has been in their fitness levels. They used to be frequently run off their feet at the end, but now finish games stronger than anyone else. The increased number of delays in a game probably helps them too.
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@sparky said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
The big improvement in British test sides in the past ten to twelve years has been in their fitness levels. They used to be frequently run off their feet at the end, but now finish games stronger than anyone else. The increased number of delays in a game probably helps them too.
Very much, esp with an under cooked opponent here. But yeah, the game was so slow
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@kiwimurph said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@gibbonrib it was no arms as well.
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Curry should have sat for 10
Cheap, late, dirty
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@mikethesnow said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwimurph said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@gibbonrib it was no arms as well.
This
Curry should have sat for 10
Cheap, late, dirty
I’d sit him down next matchWasn't impressed with Curry at all in the first half (although I wasn't impressed by anyone apart from Itoje). Gave away 3(?) penalties, and didn't offer much. Gutted that Tipuric wasn't available.
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@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@mikethesnow said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwimurph said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@gibbonrib it was no arms as well.
This
Curry should have sat for 10
Cheap, late, dirty
I’d sit him down next matchWasn't impressed with Curry at all in the first half (although I wasn't impressed by anyone apart from Itoje). Gave away 3(?) penalties, and didn't offer much. Gutted that Tipuric wasn't available.
I think it was only 2 penalties.
But the breakdown work overall by BIL in the first half was very hit and miss. The Boks had their way on both sides of the ball.
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@act-crusader said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@mikethesnow said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwimurph said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@gibbonrib it was no arms as well.
This
Curry should have sat for 10
Cheap, late, dirty
I’d sit him down next matchWasn't impressed with Curry at all in the first half (although I wasn't impressed by anyone apart from Itoje). Gave away 3(?) penalties, and didn't offer much. Gutted that Tipuric wasn't available.
I think it was only 2 penalties.
But the breakdown work overall by BIL in the first half was very hit and miss. The Boks had their way on both sides of the ball.
Agreed. I thought Price looked very poor in the first half, but in reflection that was largely because he wasn't getting any decent ball.
Lawes' second half means he should get another go. Wasn't convinced by Conan, would much rather see Faletau in. Curry was so-so, but H. Watson didn't do anything. Don't think there are any other 7 options in the squad, so I guess stick with Curry.
AWJ and Itoje should go again.
Front row, Sutherland wasn't great so I'd go Jones (or Mako if he's not fit). LCD would be a better bench option, with either Owens or George to start. Furlong earned another run-on, although I thought Sinkler was also decent when he came on.
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Watched at pub, and banter made commentators hard to hear. But stat flashed up of penalty count of 8 -1 in second half. Without a rewatch, that seems unlikely to have been a fair reflection.
17 - 10 at 50, and I had a feeling missed conversion could be important, which it was.
A bit like a boxing bout in the old days where ref’s call was the decider.
Nothing in it, and both sides will be better next week. Selection will be very interesting! -
Not joking- bored shitless watching that. If it wasn't a Lions Test I'd have stopped watching.
Also, how does Nic Berry get a Lions Test ffs?
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@antipodean said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Not joking- bored shitless watching that. If it wasn't a Lions Test I'd have stopped watching.
the physicality didn't do it for you?
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Alun Wyn Jones is a fucking great captain. Sure he might have looked a little whiny at points, but it was clear he was keeping the direction of that team together and doing his best to ensure he understood what the ref wanted - a key point to make sure he wasn't missing anything in the change of hemispheres.
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@nzzp said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@antipodean said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Not joking- bored shitless watching that. If it wasn't a Lions Test I'd have stopped watching.
the physicality didn't do it for you?
It's like a banquet missing courses.
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@antipodean said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Not joking- bored shitless watching that. If it wasn't a Lions Test I'd have stopped watching.
Also, how does Nic Berry get a Lions Test ffs?
I have to say that despite being heavily invested, ‘cos Lions, it didn’t grab me. The intensity was there but it was all a bit bish, bash, bosh from both sides.
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@catogrande said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@antipodean said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Not joking- bored shitless watching that. If it wasn't a Lions Test I'd have stopped watching.
Also, how does Nic Berry get a Lions Test ffs?
I have to say that despite being heavily invested, ‘cos Lions, it didn’t grab me. The intensity was there but it was all a bit bish, bash, bosh from both sides.
Huh it's weird, because it's pretty much the inverse for me.
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@mikethesnow said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwimurph said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@gibbonrib it was no arms as well.
This
Curry should have sat for 10
Cheap, late, dirty
I’d sit him down next matchDirty? Dunno about that.
If you think Curry should have seen yellow what about Watson? We’d be running out of 7s on that criteria 😳
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@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@act-crusader said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@gibbonrib said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@mikethesnow said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwimurph said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@gibbonrib it was no arms as well.
This
Curry should have sat for 10
Cheap, late, dirty
I’d sit him down next matchWasn't impressed with Curry at all in the first half (although I wasn't impressed by anyone apart from Itoje). Gave away 3(?) penalties, and didn't offer much. Gutted that Tipuric wasn't available.
I think it was only 2 penalties.
But the breakdown work overall by BIL in the first half was very hit and miss. The Boks had their way on both sides of the ball.
Agreed. I thought Price looked very poor in the first half, but in reflection that was largely because he wasn't getting any decent ball.
Lawes' second half means he should get another go. Wasn't convinced by Conan, would much rather see Faletau in. Curry was so-so, but H. Watson didn't do anything. Don't think there are any other 7 options in the squad, so I guess stick with Curry.
AWJ and Itoje should go again.
Front row, Sutherland wasn't great so I'd go Jones (or Mako if he's not fit). LCD would be a better bench option, with either Owens or George to start. Furlong earned another run-on, although I thought Sinkler was also decent when he came on.
I don’t think you can really critique the lack of attacking cutting edge as there really was little in the way of opportunity for any of the backs. Using the same criteria you’d drop Kolbe too - after all he did three-fifths of fuck all!
I don’t think that I would want to see too many changes for the Lions. Wyn Jones comes back if fit and I surprise myself in saying Mako on the bench. The rest of the forwards can stay, though there’s an argument for Watson over Curry. I’d also like to see Simmonds off the bench with half an hour to go.
Price did enough to keep his spot but Murray is now breathing down his neck. Biggar stays if fit with Farrell as the bench option. If Biggar is out then Farrell with Smith on the bench. Other than that I think they all did well enough given the limited amount of decent ball and the limited game plan.
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@bovidae said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Keohane is unhinged. What a piston wristed gibbon.
Le Roux landed on his arm so I was happy with just a penalty. Also, Berry has the final call, not the TMO.
I agree completely. SA Rugby Magazine has gone seriously backward since they let him write for them. Even that other SA writer - of who I've forgotten the name - isn't as whiny.
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@catogrande said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@mikethesnow said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@kiwimurph said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@gibbonrib it was no arms as well.
This
Curry should have sat for 10
Cheap, late, dirty
I’d sit him down next matchDirty? Dunno about that.
If you think Curry should have seen yellow what about Watson? We’d be running out of 7s on that criteria 😳
Watson too
And if Kolbe hadn't knocked on, Daly should have gone for holding back.
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@nzzp said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
@bovidae said in Springboks v British & Irish Lions 1:
Le Roux landed on his arm so I was happy with just a penalty. Also, Berry has the final call, not the TMO.
The counterpoint to that is that sort of lift and drive is exactly what's trying to be eliminated form the game. The aggravating factors for me were the intentionality (lifted from a standing position), and particularly the dropping/driving through the tackle. I think YC would be appropriate, but I far far prefer to sanction the action, rather than the outcome (ie lifting, rather than how they land)
That was a yellow all day. Once they're past horizontal I reckon you've got to go to the pocket unless something seriously favorable happens when they go to deck
