The debate about 12
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@sparky said in The debate about 12:
@pakman Would take Carter-Nonu-Snake ahead of that combo every day of the year.
I can only assume this is based on backing established combinations, because as much as I loved Conrad, he simply wasn't a patch on BOD. It's just ludicrous to suggest otherwise, no matter how much you might dislike him.
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@voodoo said in The debate about 12:
@sparky said in The debate about 12:
@pakman Would take Carter-Nonu-Snake ahead of that combo every day of the year.
I can only assume this is based on backing established combinations, because as much as I loved Conrad, he simply wasn't a patch on BOD. It's just ludicrous to suggest otherwise, no matter how much you might dislike him.
TBH can't remember BOD outplaying Smith once, but maybe thats just me.
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@sparky said in The debate about 12:
@pakman Would take Carter-Nonu-Snake ahead of that combo every day of the year.
I wouldn’t pick one Irish player in a combined NZ-Ireland team...
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@ACT-Crusader thanks Sean.
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@mofitzy_ said in The debate about 12:
Different types of players. Conrad complimented Nonu perfectly, as an individual you might say BOD but the proof is the the pudding for the Nonu/Smith combination.
this 100%.
BOD > Smith, but Nonu+Smith>Daylight>anyone else
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@voodoo said in The debate about 12:
@sparky said in The debate about 12:
@pakman Would take Carter-Nonu-Snake ahead of that combo every day of the year.
I can only assume this is based on backing established combinations, because as much as I loved Conrad, he simply wasn't a patch on BOD. It's just ludicrous to suggest otherwise, no matter how much you might dislike him.
I always liked the bald Ozzie guy who played 13. Also that South African, the tall big French guy and the tall skinny English fella.
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@nzzp said in The debate about 12:
@mofitzy_ said in The debate about 12:
Different types of players. Conrad complimented Nonu perfectly, as an individual you might say BOD but the proof is the the pudding for the Nonu/Smith combination.
this 100%.
BOD > Smith, but Nonu+Smith>Daylight>anyone else
Broadly agree, but they always found De Villiers and Fourie a handful.
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@pakman said in The debate about 12:
Broadly agree, but they always found De Villiers and Fourie a handful.
Hell yes - but for how long? Longevity is one of those things that goes to a 'great'. Rupeni was incredible, but short career. Shane Bond was off the charts good, but injured and short career. BOD had the longevity and the talent, and with a consistent midfield partner could have formed a combo at that level
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@Snowy said in The debate about 12:
It is hypothetical - but would BOD have been even better playing outside Carter and Nonu? Along with the rest of an AB team of course. He probably would have.
That’s a good point. In the AB team in the years running up to the 2015 RWC you had world class players surrounded by more world class players. That has to bring the overall standard up. BOD for instance was often the star in a pretty dark surrounding sky.
Edit: His play in the 2001 Lions when he was surrounded by some other world class players, some of his work was sublime.
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@Catogrande said in The debate about 12:
@Snowy said in The debate about 12:
It is hypothetical - but would BOD have been even better playing outside Carter and Nonu? Along with the rest of an AB team of course. He probably would have.
That’s a good point. In the AB team in the years running up to the 2015 RWC you had world class players surrounded by more world class players. That has to bring the overall standard up. BOD for instance was often the star in a pretty dark surrounding sky.
Edit: His play in the 2001 Lions when he was surrounded by some other world class players, some of his work was sublime.
And pretty handy outside Jamie Roberts in 2009 Lions.
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Carter-Horan-Bunce for me.
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@mariner4life up until Nonu's last 2 seasons, Horan was always the clear best 12 to me, but those last 2 seasons of Nonu pushed him to at least alongside Horan, possibly even past.
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@taniwharugby said in The debate about 12:
@mariner4life up until Nonu's last 2 seasons, Horan was always the clear best 12 to me, but those last 2 seasons of Nonu pushed him to at least alongside Horan, possibly even past.
yep, agree. Nonu's peak was at least as good. No doubt. But Horan was pretty consistently excellent for a long time. So he stays in.
But as you say, it went from "no contest" to "bees dick".
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@Victor-Meldrew said in The debate about 12:
No problems we'll Tualigi.
Excellent, I now have a new verb to add to my rugby vocab.
Edit: but does that mean to act like a frenzied bull or jump off unsuitably fast objects in inappropriate places? -
@nostrildamus said in The debate about 12:
@Victor-Meldrew said in The debate about 12:
No problems we'll Tualigi.
Excellent, I now have a new verb to add to my rugby vocab.
Edit: but does that mean to act like a frenzied bull or jump off unsuitably fast objects in inappropriate places?it means "play 1 in every 4 games. at best"
aka tampon
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@nzzp said in The debate about 12:
@pakman said in The debate about 12:
Broadly agree, but they always found De Villiers and Fourie a handful.
Hell yes - but for how long? Longevity is one of those things that goes to a 'great'. Rupeni was incredible, but short career. Shane Bond was off the charts good, but injured and short career. BOD had the longevity and the talent, and with a consistent midfield partner could have formed a combo at that level
Gordon D’arcys test career forgotten just like that
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@MN5 said in The debate about 12:
@nzzp said in The debate about 12:
@pakman said in The debate about 12:
Broadly agree, but they always found De Villiers and Fourie a handful.
Hell yes - but for how long? Longevity is one of those things that goes to a 'great'. Rupeni was incredible, but short career. Shane Bond was off the charts good, but injured and short career. BOD had the longevity and the talent, and with a consistent midfield partner could have formed a combo at that level
Gordon D’arcys test career forgotten just like that
D’Arcy was a very good 12, and had excellent combo with BOD. Interesting that early on he was at 13 and BOD 12. But was poor in 2005 Lions and coaches wanted basher like Roberts to partner BOD in 2009.
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@voodoo said in The debate about 12:
@sparky said in The debate about 12:
@pakman Would take Carter-Nonu-Snake ahead of that combo every day of the year.
I can only assume this is based on backing established combinations, because as much as I loved Conrad, he simply wasn't a patch on BOD. It's just ludicrous to suggest otherwise, no matter how much you might dislike him.
How drunk were you when you posted this? Conrad Smith not a patch on BOD? Righto...I know which is the ludicrous suggestion...
