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Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18

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    @DMX oh don't get me wrong, pretty sure I called for wholesale changes immediately after! I've been pounding the drum that the best bench is TJP, Beauden/Mounga, Roane.

    Once the dust settled I felt if Foster is going down this path I'd like to see if his "plans" can come to fruition. If he's successful at least it might ease a lot of the widespread confusion.

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    @Machpants said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:

    @Bovidae said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:

    @Nepia said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:

    @Yeetyaah said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:

    Why are we persisting with Goodhue at 12 and Jordie at 14? Fucking idiots.

    Especially when ALB at 12 and Goodhue at 13 works and they're both on the bloody field.

    Hopefully they switch positions as required. Goodhue at 12 might be to keep the Crusaders combo.

    “ Foster says Lienert-Brown, Jack Goodhue will swap roles during the game”

    Where'd you see that?

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    @Bones said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:

    @DMX I agree, which is why I'm disappointed in the dropping of Roane. Before Clarke came on he was the biggest attacking threat. Why not persist with him and let him settle in so he can address deficiencies in defence? Even more so as if anyone has to atone for last week it's him.

    I didn't necessarily agree with him starting at centre last week but now Foster has taken a bite and spat it out.

    Part of me would love to see Roane and Clarke on wings. Jordie on bench. But think ABs like to have at least one 'aerial' fullback/winger (from BFA on).

    Could even contemplate six two bench split with an extra loosie (Aoane?) added.

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    @pakman The odd thing is if having a tall winger is so important, why did I feel like the Aussie wingers were more likely to score? I would rather Reece/RIoane and Clarke then Bridge and JB. I almost feel like it is an insult to the modern day winger to think they don't know how to position themselves to catch a ball.

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    @pakman said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:

    @Machpants said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:

    @Bovidae said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:

    @Nepia said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:

    @Yeetyaah said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:

    Why are we persisting with Goodhue at 12 and Jordie at 14? Fucking idiots.

    Especially when ALB at 12 and Goodhue at 13 works and they're both on the bloody field.

    Hopefully they switch positions as required. Goodhue at 12 might be to keep the Crusaders combo.

    “ Foster says Lienert-Brown, Jack Goodhue will swap roles during the game”

    Where'd you see that?

    On the stuff live feed of foster interview

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    @chimoaus it isnt important to have a tall winger - Cheslin Kolbe was the form right winger of the RWC and hes three feet tall.

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    https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/all-blacks/123117944/all-blacks-v-wallabies-dont-expect-history-to-repeat-warns-patrick-tuipulotu

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    Jordie Barrett is not a long term 14 but there is/was the opportunity to play Will Jordan there.
    Jordie Barrett is the form 15 in Super rugby, is experienced there, and is not played there.
    Ardie Savea is not the long term 8 solution but he's played there.
    Sotutu may well be the answer at 8 and he is not played there.
    Shannon Frizell has not performed at anything more than passable levels for the ABs in all his outings and he is retained.
    Akira Ioane has far more physicality and could be tried but he is not played.
    Richie Mounga and Beauden Barrett should be dueling for the 10 with one on the bench.
    Caleb Clarke wasn't even selected and then he tore it up and as soon as he came on.

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    @Frank Will Jordan is a full back right? So he is our next FB/Winger? Why are we going down this road?

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    @Frank said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:

    Jordie Barrett is not a long term 14 but there is/was the opportunity to play Will Jordan there.
    Jordie Barrett is the form 15 in Super rugby, is experienced there, and is not played there.
    Ardie Savea is not the long term 8 solution but he's played there.
    Sotutu may well be the answer at 8 and he is not played there.
    Shannon Frizell has not performed at anything more than passable levels for the ABs in all his outings and he is retained.
    Akira Ioane has far more physicality and could be tried but he is not played.
    Richie Mounga and Beauden Barrett should be dueling for the 10 with one on the bench.
    Caleb Clarke wasn't even selected and then he tore it up and as soon as he came on.

    None of this helps confidence in Fozzie's ability to coach the ABs. The logical thing to do is play BB at 10, JB at 15, and two specialist wingers, one of which could be Jordan

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    @broughie said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:

    @Frank Will Jordan is a full back right? So he is our next FB/Winger? Why are we going down this road?

    Apparently he played a lot of SRA on the wing

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    @canefan I noticed him a FB. Interesting I can’t remember anything memorable at wing but maybe I am wrong. Can we just pick a pure winger?

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    @Stargazer I hope he gets a shot, he definitely deserves it.

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    @broughie said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:

    @Frank Will Jordan is a full back right? So he is our next FB/Winger? Why are we going down this road?

    Because over the last 15 years we have looked most balanced in the backs when we have had a “power” 11 and a “fullback hybrid” 14 to counter the aerial bombardment
    which completely derailed us in 2008/2009.

    Early on Sivi/Roks paired best with Howlett at 14. It never really worked with them both there.
    Then Jane came along to fill the fullback/wing role with Savea eventually locking in the 11 jersey after guys like Gear never really stepped up and Guildford didn’t work.
    After jane we had Smith and Dagg alternating paired with Savea and then NMS alternating with Dagg until they both dropped away.
    Then Ioane taking the left wing role and Smith the right until Hansen shat the bed last year and decided Bridge was a power winger and a midget wife beater provided the best balance with him.

    We are lacking balance all through our team at the moment and IMO it’s one of our biggest problems.
    Back row another prime example.

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    Surely Havilli would be far better cover on the bench than Umaga Jenson😳

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    @Stag said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:

    Surely Havilli would be far better cover on the bench than Umaga Jenson😳

    Umaga Jensen can play both 12 and 13.
    I think he was the form center of Super rugby - not Rieko.

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    @broughie said in Bledisloe Two: Auckland, October 18:

    @canefan I noticed him a FB. Interesting I can’t remember anything memorable at wing but maybe I am wrong. Can we just pick a pure winger?

    I think it depends on the style of Fullback they are ,

    Corey Jane , Ben Smith , NMS and Dagg to a lesser degree are fullbacks at super rugby level that played bloody well in the black 14 jersey ,

    Im not so sure Jordie fits the mold as much though as to the type that is suited ,not quite the dasher , Jordan looks like he might though IMO

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    I don't really buy that there is a need for two different style wings. If you have one who is good in the air, what does that matter if the opposition can just kick to the other one? It's not like one wing can cover the others weaknesses, they are nowhere near each other. Better bet to pick two wings whose style suits our gameplan.
    Gotta have a gameplan first of course.

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    @pukunui I get that and I understand that selection pattern. But we seem to complain about a lack of speed and wingers getting bundled into touch because they are not pure wingers and wonder why. I think possibly we have taken the versatility thing too far. Maybe in our subs but otherwise let’s have specialists.

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