All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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So obviously foster would be paying this out of his own pocket, cos why should NZR pay it? I could say I have all sorts of coaches lined up in my team, you just have to pay them and their current employers millions. Pile of shit from this process gets deeper, if true
All Blacks hit with dramatic late twist following Ian Foster's appointment as head coach
New Zealand Rugby could be left to fork out a large financial sum to bring together Ian Foster's coaching group in the wake of his announcement as the next boss of the All Blacks.
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I thought that this process was all about 'teams' rather than individual coaches. Did Fozzie mention that you'll need to get the lawyers and the chequebook out?
This 'process' looks more and more like NZR don't have balls.
Way back in 2007 there was an argument that I found quite convincing. Basically, the real reason Henry was reappointed was because to sack him was to say that he'd got it wrong, and given the wide latitude the board had given him (with R&R etc) that basically meant that the board had fucked up too. So they reappointed him (coming up with the 'his group was better' line as self justification).
Of course retaining Henry was the right decision so all that died away and the board could pat themselves on the back for making good decisions for bad reasons.
But ultimately process is what makes great sports organisation. Great players and coaches come and go, but if you're consistently making good decisions then you can make the most of the chances you have.
But when you don't have good process, when you're worried about self justification, looking after mates or anything else, then inevitably things go tits up and while things are good you look great, but when you get into a tough spot you're fucked.
Coming back to the preset situation, I wonder if this is that poor process coming back to bite us. NZR couldn't get Hansen to move on because he'd always been there and so he might have stayed on too long. Foster's got the job because he's a great bloke. Or because the board can safely fire him in two years if things go bad and they have a nice story about trying for continuity but needing fresh blood.
Meanwhile Rennie's a bit too different. He won't take crap. He'll change up when things don't work. Move on poor players. He gets a sense of how things are blowing at HQ and so gambles on the 4 year deal the ARU give him.
The NZR board look at Razor and can't quite see past the surfer bro personality, the immature hair cut and the 3/4ths of the country who are already to blast them if yet another favoured crusader son gets a plum job and blows it.
So they fall back on their tried and true method. 'Its not about individuals, its about packages'. Probably they know that Tony Brown is already deciding that he's only going to play number 2 to Jospeh. That makes it easier to rule out Razor, he doesn't have a team.
Enter Fozzie. Asked for his team, he can only think of a bunch of ex crusaders who probably aren't even in the country anymore, and oh he'd seen Plumtree talking about 7 foot saffers this morning so surely he'll come in (he always was better behind the scenes anyway).
They take the risk. How badly can Rome burn while the board is playing the fiddle anyway?
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So where do all these rumours, about who the proposed assistant coaches are, come from? Did Foster publicly say in an interview who he wanted in his team? Did someone leak? Or are these assumptions from some journalists which have been copied by others? Have these candidate assistant coaches said something that provides any basis for these speculations?
I know these rumours about the composition of the coaching teams from both Foster and Robertson have been circulating for the last few weeks, but has anyone actually read or heard an interview in which this has been said? I can't imagine any of Foster, Robertson or NZR saying something before it's a done deal. So how reliable is this info?
For example, has Hurricanes CEO Avan Lee said something about contingency plans in case Plumtree joins Foster's team, or is this also speculation?
I can't keep up with the rumour mill. There's so much clickbait. It's so hard to know what to believe that I hardly believe anything anymore.
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@Stargazer said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
So where do all these rumours, about who the proposed assistant coaches are, come from? Did Foster publicly say in an interview who he wanted in his team? Did someone leak? Or are these assumptions from some journalists which have been copied by others? Have these candidate assistant coaches said something that provides any basis for these speculations?
From the Foster side people talk - it's not a state secret. Foster may have asked others to consider saying I have X,Y and Z on board already. No doubt he has his contacts in the media if he wanted to get this out.
Robertson obviously has his boosters in the media too.
For example, has Hurricanes CEO Avan Lee said something about contingency plans in case Plumtree joins Foster's team, or is this also speculation?
I don't see why Plumtree (or MacDonald if Roberston was successful) would not be able to coach out this season like Deans in 2008. There might be a few new hurdles to jump through with the private ownership. I doubt there will be any comment until a contract has been signed.
I can't keep up with the rumour mill. There's so much clickbait. It's so hard to know what to believe that I hardly believe anything anymore.
Were any editors around the country saying "Circulation is down we need to get the jump on a new Brad Mooar rumour"?
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@KiwiMurph said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
People also leak things. Doesn't mean everything is clickbait.
I didn't say everything is clickbait. Just that there is a lot of it. And because of that, it is hard to know what information is true and what isn't.
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We. Are. Fucked.
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@Stargazer said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@rotated I don't think circulation needs to be down for editors to produce clickbait.
True, but clickbait would be "Henry back as Foster's assistant?" not Mooar/Feek etc.
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@KiwiMurph said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@mariner4life said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
We. Are. Fucked.
Watching the cricket I assume?
That too
Are you seriously excited by our chances next year?
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@mariner4life said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@KiwiMurph said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@mariner4life said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
We. Are. Fucked.
Watching the cricket I assume?
That too
Are you seriously excited by our chances next year?
You make a good point.
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@mariner4life said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@KiwiMurph said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@mariner4life said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
We. Are. Fucked.
Watching the cricket I assume?
That too
Are you seriously excited by our chances next year?
I am, especially when I hear that Brett Cameron could be making his return as an All Black.
Thanks Grant....
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@Kirwan said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@taniwharugby said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
First squad naming is gonna be veeerryy interesting.
Thing is, like it or not, it's done now, it happened.
Hopefully they will silence all the doubters, although like when Henry was appointed over Deans, I expect there will be a few hoping it is a spectacular failure so they can point and laugh while saying I told you so.
I was similarly unhappy when Hanson got it, and we went fine up until the Lions with him. I hope the NZRU learns from that and aren't afraid to change if the results are only "good".
The annoying thing was that the Lions wasn’t a bridge too far at all - we beat them quite convincingly in the first test and were very unlucky not to win the 2nd despite the red card. The 3rd test is all the fault of Poite and then the on-field leadership in my view. After the Lions series I agree we’re going downhill very fast
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@gt12 said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Chris-B said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@taniwharugby Thing about the Lions, was that it was a series that we could easily have won 3-0 - but for a couple of moments of indiscipline, plenty of injuries and the weird penalty at the end.
There were plenty of obvious reasons/excuses for the various defeats we suffered over the last couple of years, but it was obvious to everyone that we were going to need some luck or some genius coaching to get across the line at RWC2019 - the team simply wasn't close to as good as the 2015 version.
Agreed, but equally we could just as easily lost that series 2-1 thanks to selection, strategy, replacements, and tactics - all of which the coaching team should wear. I can’t really fault Hansen from 2012-2015 - it’s the best AB team we’ve ever had.
However, the post McCaw/Carter (Nonu/Smith/Kaino) rebuild has just not been that successful - we didn’t get the right people in the right places with enough experience early enough to be really there at the WC - as a result some pieces were able to be pretty easily exploited (I’m thinking Mo’unga’s defense here, for example). Also, apart from Cane, who incredibly wasn’t playing in that semi, none of those positions above were occupied by a dyed-on definite starter by the WC. That’s coaching and selection.
Sorry, in what world do we lose that series 2-1 because of coaching? What did the coaching unit do wrong in the 2nd and 3rd test that really cost us those matches...?
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I dint see how the cost of buying out contracts is an issue...they would have to have bought out Rennie too by the way they would want him all in rather than late like Aus have him.
I expect if Gats was keen, NZR would have bought him out of his Lions contract...nature of the beast.
I expect these things are all factored in, but by the same token as above I thought the whole team thing went hand in hand with the coach, so if Foster hasn't confirmed who his team will be, what if one of them changes his mind or cant be bought out of contract?
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@Stargazer said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
For example, has Hurricanes CEO Avan Lee said something about contingency plans in case Plumtree joins Foster's team, or is this also speculation?
From 02/12
"We're aware of the speculation," said Hurricanes CEO Avan Lee. "We've got a close and open relationship with [Plumtree]. He's got my support and the club's support but we'll be disappointed if he moves on.
Lee wouldn't confirm the speculation but said they were assessing all contingency plans, if a promotion to the All Blacks means Plumtree is unable to fulfill his Hurricanes commitments.
Super Rugby: Hurricanes in hot water early | Newshub
But CEO Avan Lee is confident that all is under control in the capital.
