All Black Coach - Ian Foster
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@Crucial said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Kirwan said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
Glass is half full of Waikato piss masquerading as beer.
Can't wait for the meltdown when he announces Tana as an assistant.
Not even Foster is that stupid.
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@Kirwan said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Crucial said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Kirwan said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
Glass is half full of Waikato piss masquerading as beer.
Can't wait for the meltdown when he announces Tana as an assistant.
Not even Foster is that stupid.
2nd best tackle completion % and 5th on Tries conceded in Super 2019 as defence coach. Not too shabby.
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@taniwharugby said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@Victor-Meldrew said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
Nothing wrong with boring if you're winning...
plenty moaned about rugby being boring a few years back...team picks itself, we win too much...
be interesting to see what changes they make to the playing 23
Change I want to see is more smarts on the field.
Too many games we could have won where we needed to slow down and stay cool and we didn't. Dunno how much of that is captaincy or senior players but it needs to be sorted.
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@Crazy-Horse said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
Mitchell was wasn't hated until well into the journey.
Did Mitchell ever coach an AB team?
I thought his teams were all Development Squads.....
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@sparky said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
The All Blacks were anaemic against the Lions in 2017 and were a shambles that got humiliated against England in the RWC Semi. Why on earth are NZR appointing to the top job, the Assistant Coach who was very much part of those two spectacular failures?
At least they got rid of the guy in charge.
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Gents, let me just say that I'm loving the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the Eastern States.
The process of appointing the AB coach paints NZR in a very dim light - blending incompetence and hubris, if you will.
But let's face it: the ABs started to get tinny under Hansen the last few years, and while games like Perth could be considered an aberration before, it definitely showed the weaknesses, red card notwithstanding.
That said, I still don't buy into this paranoid belief that Rennie is suddenly going to turn the Wallabies into Bledisloe winners while the ABs fall into a pit. It still ultimately comes down to cattle, and we're on the bones of our arse where that is concerned.
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@NTA said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
Gents, let me just say that I'm loving the wailing and gnashing of teeth from the Eastern States.
The process of appointing the AB coach paints NZR in a very dim light - blending incompetence and hubris, if you will.
But let's face it: the ABs started to get tinny under Hansen the last few years, and while games like Perth could be considered an aberration before, it definitely showed the weaknesses, red card notwithstanding.
That said, I still don't buy into this paranoid belief that Rennie is suddenly going to turn the Wallabies into Bledisloe winners while the ABs fall into a pit. It still ultimately comes down to cattle, and we're on the bones of our arse where that is concerned.
Rennie had instant success with the Chiefs, who at the time were a bit of a joke team. Not taken seriously as title contenders at least.
In the past you only needed a decent 15, now you need a decent 23. With the right selections and a coach that actually does some analysis of the opposition, a couple of those close loses turn into wins and you are back to where you were when strong.
Aussie rugby never won 80% of their games, but won enough to win Bledisloes and the odd World Cup. Rennie can do that for you if the fishheads get out of his way.
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First squad naming is gonna be veeerryy interesting.
Thing is, like it or not, it's done now, it happened.
Hopefully they will silence all the doubters, although like when Henry was appointed over Deans, I expect there will be a few hoping it is a spectacular failure so they can point and laugh while saying I told you so.
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@taniwharugby said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
First squad naming is gonna be veeerryy interesting.
Thing is, like it or not, it's done now, it happened.
Hopefully they will silence all the doubters, although like when Henry was appointed over Deans, I expect there will be a few hoping it is a spectacular failure so they can point and laugh while saying I told you so.
I was similarly unhappy when Hanson got it, and we went fine up until the Lions with him. I hope the NZRU learns from that and aren't afraid to change if the results are only "good".
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@Kirwan yeah Hansen stayed on a couple of years too long, he should have seen the Lions was a bridge too far, although I can see why he wanted ot be at the helm for the Lions, he needed to let someone else take over leading into the RWC.
There was all sorts of speculation about who was doing what for years under Henry, and has been some around the Hansen time too...
But it's Fozzie time now, all signs point to a bumpy ride, sometimes, the signs are wrong!
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@taniwharugby Thing about the Lions, was that it was a series that we could easily have won 3-0 - but for a couple of moments of indiscipline, plenty of injuries and the weird penalty at the end.
There were plenty of obvious reasons/excuses for the various defeats we suffered over the last couple of years, but it was obvious to everyone that we were going to need some luck or some genius coaching to get across the line at RWC2019 - the team simply wasn't close to as good as the 2015 version.
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@Kirwan said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@taniwharugby said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
First squad naming is gonna be veeerryy interesting.
Thing is, like it or not, it's done now, it happened.
Hopefully they will silence all the doubters, although like when Henry was appointed over Deans, I expect there will be a few hoping it is a spectacular failure so they can point and laugh while saying I told you so.
I was similarly unhappy when Hanson got it, and we went fine up until the Lions with him. I hope the NZRU learns from that and aren't afraid to change if the results are only "good".
This is my opinion too. Fuck the excuses around the Lions series. It wasn't just that it was a couple of Irish debacles, the scrape past England on a technicality, record losses to the Boks and Ozzies, then the RWC Semi final poop.
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@Chris-B said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
@taniwharugby Thing about the Lions, was that it was a series that we could easily have won 3-0 - but for a couple of moments of indiscipline, plenty of injuries and the weird penalty at the end.
There were plenty of obvious reasons/excuses for the various defeats we suffered over the last couple of years, but it was obvious to everyone that we were going to need some luck or some genius coaching to get across the line at RWC2019 - the team simply wasn't close to as good as the 2015 version.
Agreed, but equally we could just as easily lost that series 2-1 thanks to selection, strategy, replacements, and tactics - all of which the coaching team should wear. I can’t really fault Hansen from 2012-2015 - it’s the best AB team we’ve ever had.
However, the post McCaw/Carter (Nonu/Smith/Kaino) rebuild has just not been that successful - we didn’t get the right people in the right places with enough experience early enough to be really there at the WC - as a result some pieces were able to be pretty easily exploited (I’m thinking Mo’unga’s defense here, for example). Also, apart from Cane, who incredibly wasn’t playing in that semi, none of those positions above were occupied by a dyed-on definite starter by the WC. That’s coaching and selection.
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@gt12 I will never really come to terms with benching Cane in the semi. I think that's something that will haunt the coaches and selectors as well.
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@No-Quarter said in All Black Coach - Ian Foster:
really come to terms with benching Cane in the semi. I think that's something that will haunt the coaches and selectors as well.
I'm still of the view that starting SB was the right call, but it was BBBR who was off the pace, starting SB at lock and Cane at 7 was the way to go...hindsight and all.
As to this...maybe maybe not, we will never know, but Rennie & JJ bailing early basically made it a fait accompli
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The public are rightly concerned with Fozzie. In our armchairs, from the Lions series it has been obvious the cracks and flaws the ABs have had. We have been baffled about selections, tactics and so forth for a while. We kind of hoped it would come good at the world cup but it didn't. It is obvious that the world cup failure wasn't a player problem, it was a coaching problem. Similar patterns were seen with the Chiefs under Fozzie.
All the evidence is right in front of our eyes, of course we are friggen concerned! FFS! -
@Old-Samurai-Jack I still think that most of the ABs problems in recent seasons have started up front and I don't know how much influence Foster had there. Less than Hansen and Cron I believe.
As for selections, we will see how different Foster's first AB team is from this year's team. That will give us some indication on who was the dominant voice in player selection.
