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@reprobate 5 to 1 in our examples, and still persisted with Franks for two years when he was rubbish.
Really? sbw was rubbish. Nepo was rubbish, ardie was rubbish, Brodie was outplayed, persisted with despite injury, TJ brought on early was rubbish, ALB did bugger all, jordie was crap. Where's the bias in that?
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Bridge is too slow to be an international wing. Reece was fine, Beaunga isn't that bad. Cane should have started but we mostly lost that in the forwards, not the backs.
They made huge metres targeting where we were hiding Richie. Put us under huge pressure. Then he disappeared in the second half and BB tried to play two positions.
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@antipodean said in Hansen:
Imagine if our loose forwards were Luatua and Cane.
Imagine a trio of Luatua, Cane and Vito with Ardie off the bench.
I think Ma'a Nonu would have done better than SBW off the bench too.
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Agree. Limited coach who only won game because of the quality of NZ players.
But his decision to stack the team with a number of very limited Crusaders players (including Barrett who is not a 6) was really his main downfall
So he's a limited coach because he had great players AND a poor coach because he picked such limited Canterbury players? Surely he must have been a brilliant coach to get limited Crusaders players to support the brilliant players sufficiently to win a few games here and there.
And if we are flat track bullies, world rugby must have been dire over the last four years.
Focussing on it as a provincial issue ignores players that were tried and either found wanting or who were injured. While it might make you feel better blaming another part of the country, it ignores any real issues that need to be addressed.
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Bridge is too slow to be an international wing. Reece was fine, Beaunga isn't that bad. Cane should have started but we mostly lost that in the forwards, not the backs.
They made huge metres targeting where we were hiding Richie. Put us under huge pressure. Then he disappeared in the second half and BB tried to play two positions.
True, but I was meaning more as a squad tactic than the the SF specifically. Agree that in the SF, Richie needed to be pulled early or trade places with BB on defence (similar to what they used to do with Mehrtens).
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Bridge is too slow to be an international wing. Reece was fine, Beaunga isn't that bad. Cane should have started but we mostly lost that in the forwards, not the backs.
They made huge metres targeting where we were hiding Richie. Put us under huge pressure. Then he disappeared in the second half and BB tried to play two positions.
This is such ignorant bullshit. The 2 playmakers pattern has not Mounga and Barrett playing behind the line as dual fullbacks, they're not hiding Richie. It was exactly the same when jordie played 10. We're they hiding him too?
Bridge is too slow to be an international wing. Reece was fine, Beaunga isn't that bad. Cane should have started but we mostly lost that in the forwards, not the backs.
They made huge metres targeting where we were hiding Richie. Put us under huge pressure. Then he disappeared in the second half and BB tried to play two positions.
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A garbage post. Fucking garbage.
But time for a full coaching clean out now. Bring in Razor and give him full reign to choose his staff. McLeod may survive but I doubt Razor will want the baggage.
I think it’s time to step away from Crusader country.
We will, Foster will be the Coach same as Henry was reinstated The powers that be will drag out the Old you have to lose to know how to win Bullshit.
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We will, Foster will be the Coach same as Henry was reinstated The powers that be will drag out the Old you have to lose to know how to win Bullshit.
I'm not so sure. Two key differences...
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From Paris 2004 to Cardiff 2007 the team was impeccable and had two tinny single digit losses in the republic (Rustenburg FFS) and our traditional loss in Australia in a RWC year. There was a pretty good argument that Cardiff was an aberration.
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Ted was reappointed with Smith and Hansen on board and went up against Deans who could only find Pat Lam willing to work with him. Better coaches than Deans with better assistants than Lam will be apply for this job.
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We will, Foster will be the Coach same as Henry was reinstated The powers that be will drag out the Old you have to lose to know how to win Bullshit.
I'm not so sure. Two key differences...
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From Paris 2004 to Cardiff 2007 the team was impeccable and had two tinny single digit losses in the republic (Rustenburg FFS) and our traditional loss in Australia in a RWC year. There was a pretty good argument that Cardiff was an aberration.
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Ted was reappointed with Smith and Hansen on board and went up against Deans who could only find Pat Lam willing to work with him. Better coaches than Deans with better assistants than Lam will be apply for this job.
Well lets see I am picking a Foster/Brown scenario
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@reprobate said in Hansen:
@reprobate 5 to 1 in our examples, and still persisted with Franks for two years when he was rubbish.
Really? sbw was rubbish. Nepo was rubbish, ardie was rubbish, Brodie was outplayed, persisted with despite injury, TJ brought on early was rubbish, ALB did bugger all, jordie was crap. Where's the bias in that?
Whaaaaaat? Ardie was the best fucken player out there. The rest of the hurricanes....super yuck.
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Oh and by the way, this post 2015 team just isn't a patch on the previous side stacked with all-time greats. No-one could have done any better with the cattle available. Losing convincingly to a very good England side shouldn't be a major surprise to anyone given the patchy form shown throughout the 2016-19 era and the lesser standard of players available in general.
Given that we lost the best ever centre pairing, the GOAT, and two other all time greats after 2015, the level of expectation in terms of dominance was unfounded. I think it is time for a complete change now in AB management, but I will always rate Hansen - He's still one of the classiest people around in the way he thinks about the good of the game at a world level and also the way he has represented the ABs during some very major disruptive events.
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Hansen firing up in the presser, very unfairly, in response to a question about the lack of fire from the All Blacks. He responds to the next question by talking about 'how desperate the other team was' but clearly we weren't very desperate; we clearly didn't have a plan to break them down; and we were easily the 2nd best team out there. WTF?
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Lets face it, win or lose, this was the end of one of the greatest AB eras. I've got a lot of good memories of the Henry-Hansen era, and some of the finest games played by AB sides with some of the greatest ABs.
I'm not sure we'll ever see its like again.
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@gt12 That was pathetic, especially the "if you want to go outside I'll give you a rugby education" part. Is he going to fight him for merely asking if "the all blacks turned up with the right mindset?"
The NZ press usually asks "Steve, were the ABs 10/10 or 11/10 tonight. Why are they so good?"
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Hansen firing up in the presser, very unfairly, in response to a question about the lack of fire from the All Blacks. He responds to the next question by talking about 'how desperate the other team was' but clearly we weren't very desperate; we clearly didn't have a plan to break them down; and we were easily the 2nd best team out there. WTF?
To add to this, he talks about how proud he is because we played well. Really??? Really????? Really??????? That's his honest assessment? I understand that he's proud of the players, but he can't be proud of that performance, surely?
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@gt12 That was pathetic, especially the "if you want to go outside I'll give you a rugby education" part. Is he going to fight him for merely asking if "the all blacks turned up with the right mindset?"
The NZ press usually asks "Steve, were the ABs 10/10 or 11/10 tonight. Why are they so good?"
What I find funny about that is that he had just said 'put your big boy pants on'. So do that. Own up to the fact that your team just wasn't fucking good enough. It doesn't mean that we don't love them (especially Sam Cane! Gave away three, but I still love you) but it does mean that you're honest about a shit performance. It can't only be that England were simply always better, or we should fucking give up.
